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Arizona leads steepest education cuts in nation

Posted: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:00 am

PHOENIX — A new report showing Arizona had the steepest education spending decreases nationwide in recent years strengthens the argument for a 1-cent per dollar sales tax benefiting schools, proponents of the initiative said Tuesday.

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  • cactusmouse posted at 8:46 am on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    cactusmouse Posts: 1

    I work in a school district - the amount of mismanagement is disappointing. The answer is not to throw more money into the schools - it's spending good money after bad!

  • JPMNTMAN posted at 3:47 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    JPMNTMAN Posts: 70

    can you tell me what are human services and transportation. Do those two topics only apply to the school system or other liberal money give aways. I am voting NO it was a temporary tax but then again never met a politician on either side that could not some how say its for the kids. We threw money at the school problem and kids were failing we cut money and kids are still failing. Maybe we look at administration costs in the schools, maybe we look at moronic teachers that get a contract each year, maybe we look at ways to cut other social problems and throw it back into the school.

  • RYAN M A posted at 4:19 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    RYAN M A Posts: 1464

    Let's look at our students test results in relation to other states before the cuts took place and then after the cuts. Was there an effect on scores. If so what was that effect. Give me some verifiable data that directly correlates a said amount of money to a said student result. Not sure education success is all about how much money you spend. We all know the biggest factor with regard to the success of a student, has nothing to do with money spent, but rather if there is a mother and father at home that care and are involved in their child's lives.

  • cassie posted at 8:18 pm on Mon, Sep 10, 2012.

    cassie Posts: 89

    cactusmouse - It's good to hear from someone inside the system. I have long felt it isn't the amount of money but how it's spent. I grew up in large classrooms and we did just fine. We had one Principal and no other administration personnel other than a part-time nurse. Somehow, we got a great education. I will also be voting no.

  • Kate posted at 10:06 am on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Kate Posts: 9

    As a former educator I too believe good teaching is not about the money. However, when you look at the federal takeover and mandates on school districts, without adequate funding, the money is needed to implement the new standards, testing and other bureaucratic nonsense that has escalated in the past 30 years.
    Schools are becoming just as controlled as every other facet of our lives.
    It's not the teaching, it's the corporations who make the most money of the new mandates. It's not learning, it's the control.
    Prop 204 is not the answer, getting government out of education is.

  • Daniel posted at 1:11 pm on Tue, Sep 11, 2012.

    Daniel Posts: 11

    If that 1 cent sales tax is allowed to expire how do you think our rural districts are going to survive? I think it is about 10 percent of a school budget that is being funded by this tax. Our rural districts have already made huge cuts to staff, both to administrators, teachers, aides, custodial and maintenance. If cuts are made as the tax expires whom do you think is going to get cut? Teachers. You can cut 2 administrators for the cost of 3 teachers but there are only so many administrators you can cut. That leaves 3/4 of the cuts going to teachers. What teachers are going to be cut first? Music, shop, and PE, and along with that will be extracurricular programs. But you may say good its all about teaching the kids to read, to write and do math. Studies show that kids involved in extracurricular activities do better in school then those that aren't. So are we worried about helping kids or are we more worried about a 1 cent tax that on $1000 dollars in spending amounts to 10 dollars.
    You may say class sizes are not that important and maybe they weren't back in the day when parents actually supported the teachers and would allow discipline. Now if the teacher even sends home too much home work or the child is "asked" to behave the parents are at the school threatening a law suit or wanting the teacher fired.
    We have no unions in our schools like Chicago, teachers are evaluated and unlike Chicago and even years passed in Arizona can be non renewed for poor performance. We have a long way to go to fix the education system in this state and in our country but we are taking some good steps and in my mind keeping the tax around to fund education is a necessary step to continue our progress.


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