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Are the cloud-like streaks in the sky chemtrails or is it all a con tale?

Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:00 am | Updated: 10:04 am, Wed Jan 5, 2011.

Despite the lack of "official" information on the phenomenon known as chemtrails, plenty of scientists, journalists, researchers and ordinary citizens have created an alternative media buzz about the spraying of chemicals that can be seen on most days. According to http://www.globalengineeringwatch.org">www.globalengineeringwatch.org, "The program appeared to go ‘online' around 1997; though sightings of short-lived aerosol spray cloud construction goes back to the 1970s. Whistleblowers and discovered documents have indentified the chemtrail program as Icarus, Deep Shield, Shield project and Project Cloverleaf. Now the government is calling it geoengineering."

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14 comments:

  • AzisGr8 posted at 7:06 am on Tue, Dec 28, 2010.

    AzisGr8 Posts: 272

    Anyone wonder why in just the last 40 years Alzheimer's disease diagnosis has quadrupled? Maybe this is a clue.

    For years the government and medical professionals have called this conspiricy gobbly-gook. Now it is accepted form of science?

    Cause we can mess with the climate does it mean we should?

     
  • Camulos posted at 9:02 am on Tue, Dec 28, 2010.

    Camulos Posts: 1361

    "Anyone wonder why in just the last 40 years [pharmaceuticals have increased in prescription issuances, strengths and availability, and ouor food supply - from animals to vegitation - have been altered into an un-natural state]? Maybe this is a clue."

    "For years the government and medical professionals have called this conspiricy gobbly-gook. Now it is accepted form of science?"

    "Cause we can mess with the [natural changes of the mind and body of humans, animals and the genetic make-up of plants] does it mean we should?"

     
  • remnant7 posted at 9:09 am on Tue, Dec 28, 2010.

    remnant7 Posts: 3

    It's about time that this issue is brought up. Thanks to K.Warnick for informing readers on what is happening to their skies. This does make many people on the mountain sick already. Especially after heavy spraying for days. It also interferes with the Solar energy many people use up here. This is a crime that is being done and we are the lab rats in the experiment except no one has been asked permission. People need to get informed on this issue and put a stop to it. A no fly zone would be a good start. Investigations and prosecutions for crimes against humanity would also be great. I won't hold by breath though. We live in a time where there are no laws and the government does anything they want along with the corporations for profit. "Telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell would be proud.

     
  • che guevara posted at 11:12 am on Tue, Dec 28, 2010.

    che guevara Posts: 1173

    As a quick follow up, one may also wish to dig deeper into the Brutish Petroleum oil "spill" that has poisoned and is gradually killing the Gulf of Mexico and the corexit dispersant (a highly deadly poison) that these creeps used and still are using to combat their deed. This event was timed and occured on the birthday of Adolf Hitler. Coincidence, I think not, I don't believe in coincidence where politics is concerned. This has already effected the Gulf Stream and is playing havoc on the climate in Europe at this time. Climate / people control agenda at work here, you decide.

     
  • Kahuna posted at 8:03 pm on Tue, Dec 28, 2010.

    Kahuna Posts: 630

    Wow, talk about conspiracy theories. To the folks complaining about the people on the mountain getting sick; Do you think maybe all the smoke from heating fires in the winter has anything to do with that? When I'm driving East on 260 towards Show Low, you can see the smoke laying down all across the land as far as you can see. Gee, do you think breathing that may not be good for you?

    How about the krappy lifestyle choices people make up here? When the groceries you buy are all frozen pizzas, beef and beer, do you think just maybe that could affect your health? Naw, lets blame a government conspiracy.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Dec 29, 2010.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Hey - I'm was looking forward to reading the comment by Bad Bob The Albino about these alledged Chem Trails. First, though, I am going to go out and buy frozen pizza and beer and beef to try to improve my health, while sitting in front of the fireplace burning those new chemical-treated artificial logs. -Wes.

     
  • walleye schip posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Dec 29, 2010.

    walleye schip Posts: 0

    So now we, including Sen. Allen,is worried about con-trails raining chemicals on us, but global warming is false!!!. I went to a science conference 20 years ago in Phoenix where this was discussed in its beginning. No memtion of conspiracy or on-purpose doing. Its amazing how many contrails each day as I fish Sunrise and Horseshoe, and still normal!!!. I know of no data or evidence that co-relates AL to diseases- only hypothesis.

     
  • walleye schip posted at 11:24 am on Wed, Dec 29, 2010.

    walleye schip Posts: 0

    Pushed the wrong button on last comment.
    Please use the word "hypothesis" instead of "theory". A theory has mega data and evidence to prove its hypothesis, while a hypothesis is an unproven guess. The theories : CELL THEORY, ATOMIC THEORY, etc., yes and even the THEORY OF EVOLUTION has mega evidence to validate them. Using the word "theory" instead of "hypothesis" gives too much credit to what may not be true.

     
  • jayreynolds posted at 5:58 pm on Wed, Dec 29, 2010.

    jayreynolds Posts: 5

    The "chemtrails" conspiracy hypothesis is a sad reflection on the poor critical thinking skills
    of those who believe in it for any length of time.
    What people are calling "chemtrails" are simply ordinary contrails.
    I can suggest to everyone here two websites which detail exactly how foolish the idea really is.
    http://contrailscience.com/
    and my website:
    http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/index.html

    I have always wondered why the chemtrail believers didn't actually try to identify the planes, seems like the first thing you'd do, right?
    Why do they always just show you fuzzy pics of contrails, why not zoom in on the plane?
    For those who wish to find out the exact identity of the planes, all you have to do is take high resolution photos using good camera equipment, while simultaneously using flight identification and tracking programs available free online. What will be found are that the planes are ordinary commercial jets making ordinary contrails.

    Here is an example fro nearly ten years ago of the type photography possible, and how
    to make them:
    http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/aviation_photography/read.main/32844/
    Here is Flight Tracker:
    http://flightwise.com/

    Happy trails,
    Jay Reynolds

     
  • Kate posted at 7:46 am on Thu, Dec 30, 2010.

    Kate Posts: 9

    It doesn't surprise me that those that don't believe in chemtrails ridicule those that do, when the reverse is not true. What are you afraid of? The truth?
    Why don't the naysayers rebuff the factural info found? How about the reports from the Air Force about owning the weather? How about the many governments worldwide asking for answers and stopping the spraying? How about the fact that credible scientists, researchers and educated people are meeting to try to find answeres?
    Why in the world would people who want answers be the bad guys, the conspiracy theorists? What is a conspiracy theorist but someone who questions the status quo?
    Rather that put so much energy into making the believers out to be weirdos, why don't you open your mind, do some research and reserve judgement?
    Nah, that must be too hard.

     
  • Camulos posted at 12:44 pm on Thu, Dec 30, 2010.

    Camulos Posts: 1361

    "Why in the world would people who want answers be the bad guys, the conspiracy theorists? What is a conspiracy theorist but someone who questions the status quo?
    Rather that put so much energy into making the believers out to be weirdos, why don't you open your mind, do some research and reserve judgement?"

    Sounds like some words that should be aimed at the Left...

    "How about the fact that credible scientists, researchers and educated people are meeting to try to find answeres?"

    You mean like the same "credible scientists" that got caught with their pants down concerning "global warming"?

    Or the same "credible scientists" that got caught the same way with "global cooling" (1960s - '80s)?


    Look at it this way:

    They have enough evidence to convince themselves, but that does not make it 'fact'.

     
  • jayreynolds posted at 5:45 pm on Thu, Dec 30, 2010.

    jayreynolds Posts: 5

    I have a question for any "chemtrails" believer.

    If you were to appear before the US Congress to show the absolute best proof that what you are seeing are something other than ordinary contrails, what proof would you show?

    Forget pictures of trails miles away with no possibility of identification, forget the movie discussed above which is laughably short on fact and long in specious speculation,
    forget websites posting anonymous unsourced drivel.

    Where's the beef?

    The fact is that all chemmies seem able to do is to ask questions, wile never seeking answers. Doesn't it trouble even one of you that in over ten years, not one of you has actually tracked even one of these planesand simultaneously used telephoto cameras to get a close up capable of positively identifying it?

    None of you, not even one of you has ever been serious. I know this, and I've known hundreds of you.

    Don't expect to be taken seriously till you show some proof that can stand up in court.
    And I predict again, as I have for ten years, none of you EVER WILL!

    You can't stand the truth.

     
  • jayreynolds posted at 6:07 pm on Thu, Dec 30, 2010.

    jayreynolds Posts: 5

    Kate,

    Re: Why don't the naysayers rebuff the factural info found?
    See the two websites I previously referred to for starters....
    Re:How about the reports from the Air Force about owning the weather?
    I don't put much stock in undergraduate student research projects. If the USAF could own the weather, they certainly wouldn't tell anyone............
    Re:How about the many governments worldwide asking for answers and stopping the spraying?
    If any government wanted to know answers, they wouldn't simply ask questions, they would identify the planes and inspect them when they land. There would be no need for silly questions.
    Re:How about the fact that credible scientists, researchers and educated people are meeting to try to find answeres?
    No credible scientist would speculate the way chemmies do, they would develop means to identify the planes.
    Re:Why in the world would people who want answers be the bad guys, the conspiracy theorists?
    No chemmies truly want answers, they seem to derive absurd pleasure in remaining ignorant about something a mere six miles away.
    Isn't that the epitome of absurdity, Kate?
    Re:What is a conspiracy theorist but someone who questions the status quo?
    Not quite. CT's are loathe to show proof, rational analysis, or falsifiable claims.
    Re:Rather that put so much energy into making the believers out to be weirdos, why don't you open your mind, do some research and reserve judgement?
    My website displays my research. I have given you people a decade to get moving,
    you have used up my patience and it is long past time to judge you.
    Fruitcakes!

     
  • wes alderson posted at 7:14 pm on Thu, Dec 30, 2010.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    I always get afraid of Camulos when he is so logical. [beam]

     

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