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Police, schools watching ‘Juggalos’ - Classified as gang in Arizona

Posted: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 5:00 am | Updated: 10:42 am, Tue Nov 30, 2010.

SHOW LOW — Juggalos consider themselves a family and fans of a rap group’s music. But due to reported criminal acts by some of them, Show Low school administrators and police are keeping a close eye on young people who identify themselves as Juggalos.

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  • Native hunny posted at 9:26 am on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    Native hunny Posts: 6

    I am glad they printed this article. I have a 13 year old son who attends school here on the reservation (no its not a forgien country). These "juggalos" are a huge problem here as well. The Canyon Day junior High School had to take action to completly ban, any type of association with this band/group, "ICP".
    My own child was getting caught up in the situation, he was making self tattoos on his body, wearing the clothing under his uniform, and had his ipod on 24-7. Its almost like he was being 'brainwashed'. His grades droped dramatically in school, his entire attitude was negative. I honestly believe listening to this music had a lot to do with it.
    As a parent I took responsibility and sat down with my son and listened to the music, from what I could hear and understand the music 'defies authority', encourages 'self mutilation', and was singing about 'God'. Ok i don't think it was gospel music, and don't think it was our lord and savior 'God', that they were singing about.
    I have since taken his ipod away and have erased the memory off of our computer. In hopes that this will keep him from listening to the music. 13 years old is a hard age and my son did not need this negative type of influence. As a parents we need to be more aware of what our children are listening to. I did know but did not make an effort to listen, until it got out of hand.

  • MYNALGAS posted at 11:38 am on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    MYNALGAS Posts: 120

    not a foreign country?

  • JBECKOM posted at 12:23 pm on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    JBECKOM Posts: 9


  • over the hill posted at 4:30 pm on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    over the hill Posts: 851

    Good for Native Hunny. Hope it works out and when your child is an adult he looks back to that time when you had that talk with him and knows it was a life changing moment. Just hope the other side doesn't overpower you. Good luck in your efforts to raise a good person.

  • WiggerMann posted at 4:40 pm on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    The comment below is a rather common rebuttal puked up by Juggalos (also note that most cannot seem to grammatically communicate as a result of favoring their gang activities over education or simply intellectually challenged).

    Please do a quick Google and note how many of these other groups appear week after week in the news for violent crimes. Simply put, Juggalos are a never-ending crime story. And hw many "normal" people inform police they are some kind of "fan" after being arrested? No, Juggalos take pride in their criminal activites because THEY ARE A GANG.

    Actually, they are a gang of retards. The reason they find solice in their make believe "family" is because society has the common sense to shun the ignorant and undesirable. And ICP has had the brainstorm to create a financially motivated market that takes advantage of the kids who have nothing else. Funny that a fanbase of poor young kids from broken homes has more "merch" than nearly any other group.

  • WiggerMann posted at 4:59 pm on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    And good job for that school suspending those punk kids. All "first amendment" issues aside, these kids blatantly broke a rule, even after having been reminded prior. It is this kind of authority defying action that demands punishment. Not to mention these kids couldn't explain what the first amendment actually means.

    As for JBECKOM whining about how he was "illegally searched", I submit that any kid walks around advertising the violent iconography that Juggalos worship would fit my profile as well. And I dare him to attempt to explain the legal precedence that made his search illegal.

  • observer2 posted at 8:34 pm on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    observer2 Posts: 82

    Wow...So the Juggs will be their latest targets...(too bad they didn't spend time on the drug dealer up the street)

    Parents....word of advise....apparently even Wiggermann agrees...profiling.

    Just saying.....keep track of the kids contact with police...

  • Tractornuts posted at 9:50 pm on Tue, Nov 23, 2010.

    Tractornuts Posts: 35

    Why is it, We always try to close the barn door after the Horse's have ran off? We should post the record of every incident involving this gang along with their Name's or their Guardians name so as a community we can correct their misunderstanding of what Society stands for! I believe they follow anyone who will take the time to lead "Them" simply because they don't have proper guidance at home. It is our responsibility to help our neighbor to protect and to guide their children in a safe and productive manner in spite of themselves.

  • observer2 posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Nov 24, 2010.

    observer2 Posts: 82

    Amen to tractor.....And I mean many kudos. If only more people had that mentality. But alas, the reality.

  • Mountain Hick posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Nov 24, 2010.

    Mountain Hick Posts: 244

    So does that make people that like KISS and call themselves members of the "KISS Army" a gang? I remeber when schools wouldnt allow kids wear Raider sport apparel because gangs were wearing it. This is just a way for law enforcement to declare a group a gang so that it makes it easier for them to go after people. Because if they arent a gang then they have to do their job and have real causes for stopping and searching youth. I agree parents need to be active in their kids lives. That is the only way to keep them on the right track.

  • JBECKOM posted at 2:44 pm on Wed, Nov 24, 2010.

    JBECKOM Posts: 9

    Mr Wiggermann my search was ilegal scince one the people they were singling out were only white teen males wearing black i was on cruches after having my knee surgicaly repaired and it was in a kee brace or emobalizer my knee was not to be moved from a straight position any person who was to be searched was to go to the office and be searched infront of the vice princple and i was told with the officers hands on their firearms to get on the floor they searched my bag my cruches and also yanked the brance from my knee due to those actions i had to have another surgery was that ilegal enough for you and yes the kids broke rules but how many kids wear yanke hats and other clothing that is gange related and are not suspended and continue i have noticed on this mountian like every wear else that the heavey metal rock or punk or goth or these icp children are singled out unlike those kids who wear gangster aparrel like fubu and shaun john and other clothing lines that are dressed like gangebangers who walk around and nothing happends. and agian i was wearing a black t shirt and jeans no insignas so mr wiggerman you can go profile that your a person who wont give his name

  • Majik_Ninja posted at 3:25 pm on Wed, Nov 24, 2010.

    Majik_Ninja Posts: 1

    If you follow this criteria for what is considerd a "gang", then yes, we juggalos ARE a gang. However, following that same logic, any group of people cna be considered a gang, including the police. They wear the same attire, comit acts of violence, and often poses drugs and paraphenelia. Which gang are you more afraid of? A group of people who listen to weird music and call themselves a family? Or an organized group of militant individuals who all carry a gun and matching uniforms? To me, this just sounds like one "gang" trying to make the other "gang" look bad to justify their own actions

  • azlildevil posted at 9:19 am on Thu, Nov 25, 2010.

    azlildevil Posts: 30

    I must say this is a little unnerving. My husband is 33 years old, honest hard working father of 2 wonderful children and he has listened to ICP since i met him 10 years ago. I dont care for the music myself but to each their own. its sad this group is getting targeted for the wrong doings of these young kids. My husband has a couple ICP stickers on his car, does this mean we can look forward to getting pulled over in the future just for suspicion?? lol happy thanksgiving everyone!!!

  • WiggerMann posted at 6:22 am on Fri, Nov 26, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    JBECKOM - You still failed to explain how your serach was illegal. The law gives the school the right to do what it did. All you did was whine about your treatment in one big run-one sentence.. .that only supports my opinion that Juggalos spend more time in school tagging lockers than reading books. I have to wonder why you even bother showing up to school, because it is obviously not doing you any good.

    I am sure you thought you were double-cool wearing that black outfit on crutches, which obviously gives the impression of firearms under the coat; and don't tell me that thought didn't occur to you. You should feel lucky they didn't tackle you with more force - if I was a guard I may have shot you on sight.

    As for Mountain Hick, you obviously didn't read my earlier comment. Do a search for crimes committed by kids claiming to be in the Kiss Army. Can't find any? Oh, but there are plenty of violent crimes in the news committed by Juggalos. So there.

    And azlildevil, yes if you sre foolish enough to drive around with symbols you know are starting to be associated with gangs, expect trouble. Intelligent peolple know better.

  • WiggerMann posted at 6:36 am on Fri, Nov 26, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    And one more thing... I find it amusing that these juggalo kids are so surprised when these things happen. You make the conscious decision to advertise music and iconography for the sole purpose of the shock value it has on "normal" people, then cry when "normal" people react to it. You thrive on people pointing you out because of your appearance. What else did you expect to happen?

    And if you were truly so upset about your "rights", perhaps you ought to research what your "rights" actually are, because it is obvious you have no idea.

  • SensiBill posted at 7:43 am on Fri, Nov 26, 2010.

    SensiBill Posts: 2

    If you still claim that the juggalo family isn't a gang, then think about what “juggaloism” is today. It's not the same as it was in 1998. Now, it's a group of (mostly white) people dressing the same, calling each other a “family” despite not knowing 3/4th of the juggalo “nation".

    If juggalos were nothing but "fans", you'd never see them in the news.

  • SensiBill posted at 8:04 am on Fri, Nov 26, 2010.

    SensiBill Posts: 2

    And to every Juggalo asking why they are getting singled out when others (insert whatever group here) seem to recieve different treatment... The fact that you are should be a clue.

  • Ima Taxpayer posted at 7:59 am on Sat, Nov 27, 2010.

    Ima Taxpayer Posts: 1

    I've been following these "Juggalos" and they strike me as much more of a cult than a gang. Like other cults, they offer a "family" to those who cannot seem to fit in on their own with others. These kids are being brainwashed with violent imagery, and it is no surprise they commit the horrible crimes in the news.

    I hope law enforcement continues to focus on this threat to our society.

  • Justa Fax posted at 9:29 am on Sat, Nov 27, 2010.

    Justa Fax Posts: 1

    Please be advised that the term "Juggalo" is a registered trademark of Carnival Trade Inc (aka Psychopathic Records). Any use of this term should be identified as such. This includes remarks made by any "fans".

    This may be confirmed by searching the USPTO # 78389024

  • laradactyle posted at 12:31 am on Mon, Nov 29, 2010.

    laradactyle Posts: 1

    First of all I'm A Juggalo. The Dark Carnival (the first 6 insane Clown Posse LPs Each having a different face and story/metiphore commonly called Jokers Cards)Is actually a metaphor for god, all the violence in the songs for several purposes a) it's painting a picture of all the evil in the world and saying they should be punished, b) entertainment, people like watching horror movies as such like listening to horror music c) aggression release for the artist, writing these songs is the artist's outlet for aggression instead of doing these acts in real life they wright rhymes to a beat and get it out on the mike. which brings me to all these "Juggalos" who committed these horrific acts. I quoted Juggalo because no true Juggalo who truly gets the message would do something like that. Insane Clown Posse had said themselves that they do not condone any of these violent acts that have been committed in the name of Juggalo. And as for Being a Gang, I can see how one would think that because of such bad apples that give us a bad rep. we prefer to be called a family, we are a family of people who for one reason or another have been touched by the philosophy of the Dark Carnival [thumbdown]

  • JBECKOM posted at 7:37 am on Mon, Nov 29, 2010.

    JBECKOM Posts: 9

    Mr wigger man why are you making personal attacks do you know me? I was in highschool ten years ago. I went to Santa Rita in Tucson. I am very educiated and have a A.A in business so please dont make things personal. I do not agree with the actions of these students for going agianst school rules. my point was that the schools up here and the valley seem to pick and chose what students they inforce their rules i have been to both show low and blue ridge as a parent and have seen students wearing under the schools dress codes gang related clothing and they school doesnt inforce it. i have been lucky to have three children who are good students. and i was on cruch due to knee surg and not to look cool. I hurt my knee playing football. if i was a cop i too would of searched me i am 6'1" and weighed 320 i was in black for our rival game in a t shirt and jeans no coat it was tucson to hot for a coat. so wiggerman lets resolve this i am sorry i anything i wrote offended you but in all of your comments you are very negative towards these kids who should have been punished. and i am not now nor ever been a ICP Music but not all people who listen to thier music are dumb.

  • JBECKOM posted at 7:43 am on Mon, Nov 29, 2010.

    JBECKOM Posts: 9

    Majik_Ninja i would rather you not refer our police as a gang. they put them selves in harms way to protect it citezens unlike a gang who are greedy and think of only their "family" and no one else and cops protect all. that is the diffrence azlildevil you probley will thats the sad part that agian the actions of agian kids are effecting the others who just like the music

  • emotionalbasher posted at 12:29 pm on Tue, Nov 30, 2010.

    emotionalbasher Posts: 121

    Juggalos are gang members? Why not just call them what they really are; immature idiots. "Juggalos" started as fans of the Insane Clown Posse, creators of some of the most immature and moronic music ever released. Juggalos don't commit crimes because they're in a gang. They commit crimes because they're high school misfit, brain dead losers who are prone to stupid things.

  • apacherezlife82 posted at 12:42 pm on Tue, Nov 30, 2010.

    apacherezlife82 Posts: 10


  • Realist posted at 2:22 pm on Tue, Nov 30, 2010.

    Realist Posts: 81

    The stupidity in the comments so far is overwhelming. The idea that police are blowing this out of proportion or violating rights is ridiculous. Publicizing this problem and dealing with it proactively is just simple due diligence to keep things from spinning out of control. Dismissing or ignoring the problem is how gangs get a foothold in the first place. Yes, it is just a bunch of stupid kids, but do not underestimate the damage that can be done by stupid people in large groups when they are not dealt with swiftly.

    Also, comparing the Juggalos to the KISS Army or other music fan groups is ridiculous. Other groups of music fans don't commit crimes as a group in the name of the band or musician they like. With Juggalos on the other hand, this is common, nation-wide. Liking ICP is secondary and almost coincidental to the criminal aspect of the group. But as the article said, "Juggalos" need to be dealt with on a case by case basis. And in THIS case, Show Low Juggalos are obviously criminals first, fans of ICP second.

    The other funny thing is people keep talking about parenting, but what they fail to realize is that if any of the parents were doing their jobs in the first place, there would be no Juggalos, and the police wouldn't be dealing with this problem. I can guarantee the parent of each and everyone one of these kids isn't doing their job at home, and that is why the cops are stuck dealing with Juggalos now.

    As for JBECKOM's comments, I think the fact he can't even form a coherent sentence tells as just about everything we need to know about him and his opinions.

  • az sun posted at 6:11 pm on Tue, Nov 30, 2010.

    az sun Posts: 3

    I was raised in showlow 20 years ago ,I had several friends with felonies and other issues. we werent called a gang! we basically wore the same thing metal shirts and levis, I have a son who is a juggalo hes not involved in violence doesnt do drugs or drink and hes graduating from high school early.He has several juggalo friends"Family" who are on the right track as well... Wouldnt it be great if we truly could judge a book by its cover,if stero typing or profiling was all it took to know someone,wake up its not what one wears or what they listen to That we should fear ,take time get to know whats on the inside ..after all what did the uni bomber wear ?jeffery dahmer,hitler ,manson ???? did we fail to put them in there own little gang? WAKE UP PEOPLE its not what they wear or listen to that makes people bad,

  • WiggerMann posted at 3:17 pm on Wed, Dec 1, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    I think the fact az sun ignorant rebuttal attempting to compare the juggalo problem to the likes of Dahmer, Hiter and the Unibomber explains how he has a son who is a juggalo (I'll concede Manson would have been a Juggalo had they existed back then.)

    When you get down to it, the real problem is parents who allow their children to become juggalos.

  • az sun posted at 5:50 pm on Wed, Dec 1, 2010.

    az sun Posts: 3

    we all have an opion i must say but you need to look at your own children not mine or someone elses.. im glad you have the problem all figured out.

  • BIGRED posted at 9:09 am on Fri, Dec 3, 2010.

    BIGRED Posts: 20

    az sun I agree with you 100% for instance wiggerman sounds like a old man who hates every one and every thing that dont fit in his ignorant little box. If you give a good explination for things and have a well wrote opinion your ignorant. hey wiggerman that JBECKOM guy called you out and you still dont respond to him what happened you get spanked by a younger more educated person who can use positive words that gets you to shut up so why no response or friendly gesture back to him you jack wagon

  • Realist posted at 12:57 am on Sat, Dec 4, 2010.

    Realist Posts: 81

    BIGRED thinks JBECKOM is educated? I don't know how anyone could think JBECKOM is educated. Typical 2nd graders can form a more coherent sentence than JBECKOM can. I'd probably be more critical of JBECKOM's actual points if I could even identify them through the impossible to read lack of grammar.

    The other thing that blows my mind is just how upset people are getting when the cop interviewed in the article specifically says, "It really depends on a case by case basis." No one is saying everyone who is a fan of ICP or calls themselves a Juggalo is a gang member. However, there is a specific group of idiots in Show Low who are clearly acting like a gang, calling themselves Juggalos. GET OVER IT.

  • WiggerMann posted at 4:51 am on Sat, Dec 4, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    " If you give a good explination for things and have a well wrote opinion your ignorant. "

    Well, I guess that leaves you out, BIGRED. And not only do I doubt JBECKOM's education (unless AA degrees no longer require English, or he has consciously decided to appear uneducated in order to better communicate with Juggalos), he has still failed to explain any legal precedence for the original search issue I called him out on. If you want to claim you were illegally searched, cite some legal references and bring action against the school to prevent it from happening again. Otherwise you're just whining.

    And I make no apology for being "very negative towards these kids who should have been punished". I have no tolerance for these punk kids who think they can do as they please. Especially when they'll probably end up on some type of public welfare assistance program that my tax dollars have to pay for.

  • WiggerMann posted at 9:40 am on Sat, Dec 4, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    Thank you, Realist. It is comforting to know there are still people capable of forming well though, coherent statements. I suspect that, as observed from many other Juggalo topic discussions, the subject matter triggers response from Juggalos more often than "normal" people; the result being inarticulate ramblings from those who placed higher priority on "family" acitivities rather than education.

    While I agree with your comment about this issue being related to a specific group of idiots, I think that the violent subject matter and marketing of this media attracts a disproportional number of individuals who have some predisposition to violence or mental illness. And unlike conventional horror movies or such which has a limited exposure time, the Juggalo "family" group element provides an environment whereby these people can continually feed their obsession day after day.

    Furthermore, there are reasons why our society places a minimum age requirement for certain activities because they are simply not capable of fully comprehending the subject matter or the consequences. I believe there is no coincidence that a vast majority of the Juggalo population is under 20, with many in high school or even grade school. To those who claim there is some "deeper meaning" to the ICP music, I suggest that if it exists it is lost on much of the listening audience; most of whom see it at face value or shock effect. This is exactly why we have the parental advisory system, and if parents were doing their job there would be no Juggalos to discuss.

  • Concerned Parent posted at 10:56 am on Sat, Dec 4, 2010.

    Concerned Parent Posts: 1

    It seems every generation's rebellious teens have had their own genre of music they identified with... jazz, beatniks, hippies, punks, metalheads, genX, emos etc. Up until hiphop / gangster rap, most of these subcultures have been relatively benign. It strikes me as no coincidence that ICP, which merges criminal oriented rap with violent horror themes, is more prone to crime and violence than previous iterations.

    I agree that music alone does not cause crime, but certainly there is some connection between these recent music genre's themes and the results we see in those who follow them. Society in general seems to be going downhill, and the reasons for that extend well beyond the topic at hand. Nonetheless, if we do no take steps to rectify the situation, which includes dealing with groups such as the Juggalos, things will only get worse.

  • AzisGr8 posted at 12:04 pm on Mon, Dec 6, 2010.

    AzisGr8 Posts: 272

    I'm a little late to the topic here but I couldn't resist adding on. [beam]

    Music doesn't make a criminal mind.
    Good parenting doesn't guarentee making a good person.
    What we can't teach our kids, "the streets" or life will.
    Natural selection will help assure that the best of humanity will survive.

    Peace to all

  • WiggerMann posted at 3:36 pm on Mon, Dec 6, 2010.

    WiggerMann Posts: 10

    "Music doesn't make a criminal mind."

    The Juggalo phenomena extends well beyond just the music. The level of obsession these individuals display is very cult like.

    "Good parenting doesn't guarentee making a good person."

    True. But bad parenting is statistically proven to produce troubled children.

    "What we can't teach our kids, "the streets" or life will."

    True again. But it is obviously better to attempt to provide proper guidance rather than leaving these lessons to those with unknown morals.

    "Natural selection will help assure that the best of humanity will survive."

    Ever watched the movie 'Idiocracy'? Reminds me quite a bit of Juggalos.


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