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From other pens Not enforcing existing gun laws: That’s a crime

Posted: Saturday, June 8, 2013 5:00 am | Updated: 5:52 pm, Sat Jun 8, 2013.

If anybody in Chicago is culpable for the armed carnage on that city’s mean streets, it’s Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who never misses an opportunity to blame peaceable, law-abiding gun owners for the daily bloodletting by violent Chicago thugs.

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  • Retired Captain posted at 9:07 am on Fri, Jun 7, 2013.

    Retired Captain Posts: 645

    General rant, on....

    Ah, yes...the vaunted NRA's very own Wayne 'Iscariot' La Pee Aire, championing the enforcement of 'gun-laws'.

    The NRa is a quisling organization, supporting, facilitating and actually assisting in drafting gun-control since at least the 1920s.

    The NRA, the 'Official Government Approved' Gun-Lobby, knowingly allowing itself to be used to slow-sell the acceptance of an abrogated Amendment II and the acceptance amongst the gun-owning populous of directly anti-constitutional gun control at the federal and state level.

    Would that I had known decades ago what I know now. If so, I would never have become a life member.

    I now opt for 'no-compromise' gun organizations, for lobbying and educational efforts, such as the GOA, SAF and the JPFO.

    Rant off....

  • TN4994 posted at 12:58 pm on Sat, Jun 8, 2013.

    TN4994 Posts: 3009

    Why should the gun laws be enforced? The Fed doesn't enforce the immigration laws unless it feels like it.

  • wes alderson posted at 10:18 pm on Sat, Jun 8, 2013.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Tom? TN"

    You ask why? Gee it just feels so tough to say "I am taking guns away from the innocient law-abiding ctizens."

    Doesn't that have a nice ring to it? (Besides, if we say that, then BillyD and Mike Polleyo have nothing to get excited about.)

  • ChicagoGuy posted at 8:58 am on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    ChicagoGuy Posts: 2

    Retired Captain: 100% right on NRA! In December 2012, the 7th circuit Federal Appellate Court in Illinois reversed the state's ban on carrying guns in public. NRA contract lobbyist for IL Todd Vandermyde supplies a bill to sponsor Rep. Brandon Phelps with Duty to Inform police you are armed. If the police say you didn't inform, they can charge with 6 months or 1 yr. in jail! In IL it's not a crime if police erase the video, and it's one persons word against the others.

    IL has no death penalty now since Chicago policeman Jon Burge tortured suspects with electric shock and suffocation, then sent men to death row who did not do the crime. Burge is in federal prison after being prosecuted by the US Attorney, not the state. IL legislature had to pass a law to force police to video homicide interrogations.

    But NRA lobbyist Vandermyde cuts a deal with the Chiefs of police to include Duty to Inform (DTI) in the NRA backed carry bill because the cops wanted it. The NRA benefits from passing a bad carry bill because it creates job security to "fix" it for the next ten years. Imagine being paid over $100k/yr. to betray the people you are supposed to represent, and having bosses like Chris Cox and Chuck Cunningham at NRA/ILA who don't watch what you're doing! With friends like these, who needs enemies? Hey Wayne, how much are you paying this guy? Oh, that's right, when you pass a bad bill with Duty to Inform, you have people from Chicago like Otis McDonald that you can use as plaintiffs and make money from the lawsuits.

    But Vandermyde must have learned some great lobbying techniques from his former boss William Dugan with the Intl. Union of Operating Engineers local 150 in Countryside, IL before Dugan pled guilty to federal charges by the US Attorney in 2010. I'm sure he know what he's doing for the good of the NRA membership.

  • ppetersen55 posted at 2:32 pm on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    ppetersen55 Posts: 43

    Retired Captain and Chicago Guy: That's how we do it! If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. Did you even read the article? Or did you simply see the by-line, feel your blood pressure go up, and start your rant? Your vitriol has nothing to do with the views expressed in the editorial.

  • Retired Captain posted at 3:33 pm on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    Retired Captain Posts: 645

    Oh brother.....Another one......

    Yes, I read the article.

    A point that generally escapes NRA-zombies, is that they call for 'federal' enforcement of 'federal' laws and have for may years.

    I see the red-meat that Wayne 'Iscariot' La Pee Aire is throwing to the 'faithful' in this article, quite clearly.

    Fact is, I could give two-craps what Wayne or his quisling organization have to say. When he sticks his gun-controlling head up, I whack it, in every venue and at every opportunity.

    Perhaps someday people will wake up and realize that gun-control is unconstitutional and that the NRA has, since its inception, worked for acceptable gun-control.

    Beyond that, the fed-gov, Chitgago-gov and the gov of the peoples republik of Illinois, well, the whole mess of them can go pound prodigious amounts of sand up their neither-regions.

    That is all.

  • Bearly posted at 7:41 pm on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    Bearly Posts: 72

    I believe completely in the 2nd Amendment but the NRA doesn't.

  • wes alderson posted at 10:00 pm on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Hee hee hee.[smile]

  • ChicagoGuy posted at 10:14 pm on Mon, Jun 10, 2013.

    ChicagoGuy Posts: 2

    pp: people in public positions like NRA contract lobbyist Vandermyde who betray the people they are supposed to represent are subject to scrutiny. IL has had no concealed carry for citizens for 60 years. The Federal appellate court dumps victory into their lap, and the NRA lobbyist places Duty to Inform w/criminal penalties of 6 months or 1 year in jail into Rep. Brandon Phelps "good" carry bill.

    What's wrong with this picture? Who benefits? The NRA lobbyist benefits by creating job security for himself to "fix" the bad carry bill for the next ten years. The NRA lawyers benefit by using black people from Chicago like Otis McDonald for plaintiffs when they sue the city.

    If you're playing games with the carnies at the county fair and you don't know who the rube is, it's you pal.

  • wes alderson posted at 6:10 pm on Tue, Jun 11, 2013.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Agree with you, Captain. But it appears you are outranked by moth General Confusion and Major Disaster.


  • RYAN M A posted at 6:37 am on Wed, Jun 12, 2013.

    RYAN M A Posts: 1566

    As an avid hunter and gun owning American, I have never been a fan of the NRA or for that matter any Lobbying organization. Don't believe in them, believe they and the congressmen/women they bribe should be locked away for a long time. Not to mention, as the Captain says, they only are there to serve themselves, hence the once voted "for" the assault weapons ban when Ron Reagan was president NRA, and now against the Assault weapons ban NRA. I can't stand people who don't live on principle, grounded in common sense, and flop like fish out of water.

    I couldn't have said it better than captain. Someday, hopefully people will realize the gun control legislation has and always will be unconstitutional, so long as they don't amend that document.

  • Retired Captain posted at 10:25 am on Wed, Jun 12, 2013.

    Retired Captain Posts: 645

    Wes, your quote..."Agree with you, Captain. But it appears you are outranked by moth General Confusion and Major Disaster."

    Good one...

    As a point of importance...I retired and am no longer bound by the 'Chain of Command', therefore, the 'Major' and the 'General' along with their confusion and disaster divisions, well, they can go suck eggs.

    I am my own Commander, Tactician, Strategist, S2 and G2, now.

  • show lowian posted at 5:55 pm on Wed, Jun 12, 2013.

    show lowian Posts: 22

    Somewhere else these federal laws may apply and be enforced however they are of no importance in this state. Felons can do whatever they want with guns and include children in their criminal acts and it is of no concern..

  • TN4994 posted at 3:02 pm on Fri, Jun 14, 2013.

    TN4994 Posts: 3009

    Captain - "Suck eggs" - ranks up there with "NUTS"
    To anyone who doesn't comprehend, kindly refer to famous quotes of WW2.

  • Retired Captain posted at 9:42 am on Mon, Jun 17, 2013.

    Retired Captain Posts: 645

    show lowian,

    Anyone can do whatever they want with guns, or with any other tool, implement or with body alone.

    The smelly-skunk in your typically regurgitated 'think of the chillins' and 'felons' woodpile, is that individuals are responsible for their own actions and if an individual commits a 'bad-act', then this is where the proper role of government, e.g. 'law', kicks in for that individual, specifically for what bad-act that he/she committed.

    Prohibitions and/or restrictions on objects, substances, categories of people etc...or, rather, 'prior restraint', is anathema to the principles of Liberty and of this Republic.

  • Garson Poole posted at 11:20 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Garson Poole Posts: 33

    TN, yes, the Captain does tend to use some of the same expressions as General McAulfoff and Patton. How about we promote him?


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