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It’s time for America to take its pride back

Posted: Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:00 am | Updated: 6:59 am, Thu Oct 4, 2012.

To the Editor: And another thing … Why are we paying Israel, Mexico, Egypt and Libya etc., to be our ally? Why? We barely have a pot to you know what in and they’re burning our flag and killing innocent Americans whose spirit of giving and helpful heart were there to make life better.

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  • wes alderson posted at 12:38 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9134

    Ms. Mousseau,

    I agree with what you have said in this letter. I also want to compliment you for your well-stated response a couple of WMI Issues ago, when you addressed why it is okay to ask people stopped for other reasons for the I.D. Papers.

    In that letter, you pointed out that people like you and me are usually asked for our ID every time we shop, get our driver's licenses, etc. Unless I miss my bet, your name appears to be French. If so, I congratulate you for not taking the request for your "papers" the wrong way.

    My Granfather was a legal German immigrant during the horrible years following WWI, and he was never offended when asked for his "papers." People frequently shouted ethnic names at him. I once asked him why that happened when I was about six years old, in 1946, just after the end of WWII..

    He told me the history of the "enemies relationship", and why he didn't blame people. "Popsie" (his nick name) was one of the people who steered me into being able to forgive after horrible situations.

    I comment you for your verbal clarity and hope to see more of your work on WMI.

  • ronzim posted at 2:05 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2894

    MAM: Presently, foreign aid comprises barely one percent of our annual budget - among the lowest in the developed world. It comes in two flavors: Development aid and military aid. One third of all our aid goes to just two countries - Isreal and Egypt - and most of that is military aid.

    It is obvious that you have devoted a great deal of research to this matter and have carefully thought through the consequences of your suggestions and just how they would affect American interests. It would be good if you shared all of that with us. For example, if we were to cut off aid to Isreal?

    Suppose we could justify eliminating one half of our already embarassingly stingy amount? That would leave about $17-18 billions. Then, let's accede to your demand that we spend a lot of it, say one half, on defense (by the way, if no one can beat us, as you say, why would that be needed?) That would leave, at most, about $9 billions to apply to the debt which would offset a whopping .00056 of our present annual deficit and have no effect on the deficit. Sure glad you solved that problem for us.

  • che guevara posted at 10:17 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    che guevara Posts: 890

    Thank you for your letter Ms. Mousseau , the disgust and fustration that you express are felt by all conscious and thinking Americans . The reality is that America has devolved into a bully who is constantly spoiling for a fight and will create enemies if none exist . In the late 1960's a government " Think Tank " called the Hudson Institute , I believe , compiled a study called The Report From Iron Mountain . In this report is was determined that the function of society is to wage war and that any " great " nation can not thrive under a state of prolonged peace . Aside from the economic benefits to the military-industrial complex , war powers give government the excuse to march their nations towards despotic rule and further increases the banker's grim harvest with the blood of the young and innocent . America's dignity and self respect has been shredded as gunboat diplomacy and a perverse Demcoracy forced at gunpoint have become the hallmarks of the American way . Ask the million and a half dead innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan how they are enjoying their " Democracy " . Is it really any wonder why the rest of the world hates us ?

    With regards to foreign aid , Israel is nothing more than a war mongering spoiled child that does not deserve one dime of taxpayer money . Not only has Israel ( not Is-real ) wantonly killed American serviceman ( USS Liberty attack in 1967 that they tried to blame on Egypt to instigate war with America ) Israel also agressively pursues a policy of apartheid and genocide against the Palestinian people and has in the process become the Nazis they so claim to despise . Israel to a large extent dictates American foreign policy , but that is an entire other discussion in and of itself . The billions of foreign aid dollars to Israel would far better be used here in America to help reduce the growing numbers of children who go to bed hungry at night , to name but one use . Furthermore , reducing or eliminating the massive ( not stingy ) amount of foreign aid allotted to Israel would greatly reduce tensions in the middle east . American interests in the region obviously revolve around oil and this again goes back to the dynamic of Fascism that was best defined by Benito Mussolini as ; " when the interests of big business and government are one and the same " . Americans are essentially benevolent and kind people who have been deceived , lied to and deliberately mislead by a small group of psychopaths who have an odious agenda for the world . Don't expect any renaissance of American consciousness Ms. Mousseau as the majority of the people are too dumbed down and doped up to know any better any longer .

  • Rick Slo Low posted at 7:09 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Rick Slo Low Posts: 1369

    .00056 thats the interest my bank pays on savings!How interesting!

  • Whiplash Willy posted at 8:51 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    Whiplash Willy Posts: 777

    The USA has a long history of trying to help people and getting slapped in the face for our trouble ,from the American indian to the people of the middle east we only want to help you.

  • ArizAl posted at 5:21 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3986

    Wes, What you're saying in your post is that it is O.K. for american citizens to be asked for I.D. for any reason. Does Nazi Germany kind of ring a bell? As long as Republicans are pushing more and more for I.D. laws, why don't we go all out and get a national I.D. card good for everything?

  • AZBoomer posted at 9:33 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 487

    "As long as Republicans are pushing more and more for I.D. laws, why don't we go all out and get a national I.D. card good for everything?"

    Gee, and here I thought all along republicans just wanted fair and honest elections by having voters show an ID to demonstrate their eligibility to vote. Gosh, after the voter fraud scandal ACORN was involved in recently, you'd think everyone would be on board to clean house. Of course, without felons, illegals, and a cast of disney characters that ACORN likes to provide, Obama's got no base.

  • wes alderson posted at 1:46 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9134

    Al, please remember that I am only third generation American myself. I always feel a sense of security when I am asked for my ID at the polling place, a bank, the grocery store, the airport, or when pulled over for a broken tail light on my car, etc.

    I feel that ID checks should be a routine part of transactions of all sort.

  • ronzim posted at 2:01 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2894

    Photo ID has nothing whatsoever to do with fair and honest elections. This is a blatant attempt at voter repression and should be repulsive to every American. To begin with, there is virtually no in-person voter fraud. What fraud there is occurs in voting by mail.
    Consider how that would work: Someone goes to their precinct location, presents their voter registration card, has their name signed off on the registration list, signs for their ballot and votes.

    That same person then goes to another location with the intent of voting again. He has no registration card and does not appear on the precinct's registration list. He cannot vote and a photo ID would make no difference. Some places allow a provisional vote in such cases but that vote has to be verified later.

    The govenor of Pennsylvania instructed the AG there to investigate such fraud in their state and none could be found. The governor then gave the AG a quarter million dollars and told him to find something. Still none was found - not even one case. Happily for democracy in America, the courts are striking down these repressive laws.

    According to Boomer, President Obama's base consists of felons, illegals and some amorphous group called a cast of Disney characters. The president holds solid leads in every age group except those over 65 and is nearly even there. This includes a huge lead among American women and minorities. American women are felons, illegals and Disney characters??? Minorities?? The 52% of all Americans?? Got any data there Boomer? I thought not!

  • ArizAl posted at 2:59 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3986

    "Gee, and here I thought all along republicans just wanted fair and honest elections by having voters show an ID to demonstrate their eligibility to vote"

    Funny, that the only fraud that was discovered was in the National Republican Party's voter registration in 7 states. Not only is there state attorney generals investigating the Republicans but the Justice Dept is also investigating Republican fraud. Of course that's par for the course with Republicans . It was George Bush's cousin that did not count 15,000 voter in Florida in 2001. Additionally, it is the same company that was hired by the Republican party in 2004 that was registering voters and tearing up Democrat and Independent registration forms. Needless to say the only fraud found in this election is that perpetrated by the Republicans.

  • AZBoomer posted at 7:51 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 487

    "Funny, that the only fraud that was discovered was in the National Republican Party's voter registration"

    ALLEGED voter registration fraud, and there's one contractor they're investigating and his services have since been terminated. Regardless, this pales in comparison to what the democrats have been doing over the past 15 years.

    "the Justice Dept is also investigating Republican fraud"

    The Fast and Furious Justice Department? That doesn't say much.

    "Photo ID has nothing whatsoever to do with fair and honest elections. This is a blatant attempt at voter repression and should be repulsive to every American."

    Spoken like a true democrat. How difficult is it to obtain a photo ID these days? I'm sure if all these ID-less people were republicans, you'd have a problem with it too.

    "To begin with, there is virtually no in-person voter fraud."

    So, why are you so concerned about it then? What's with all the outrage over so-called voter repression?

  • K posted at 9:35 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    K Posts: 513


    You are so right I agree with you a 110%. We must take care of our own Country
    our own Citizens and stop sending money to foreign countries and bowing down
    to them like we owe them an apology.

    This is the United States of America, Land of the Free Home of the Brave and we
    are going to keep it that way despite Obama's plans.

    We must stand behind our solders since they are the ones who fought for our freedoms.

  • ronzim posted at 10:15 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2894

    Boomer: The point is that this is a solution in search of a problem. You have posted no data in refutation of my comment. In point of fact, it is prohibitively expensive to obtain photo ID if you are poor, sick, without transportation or just scraping by. The principle of unimpeded, universal sufferage applies to everyone, including republicans.

    The reason so many of us are concerned is that, lacking any evidence of in-person voter fraud, creating a probitively costly barrier to voting is a de facto matter of disenfranchisement focused almost entirely on the voters of one party by the leaders of the other.

    If you have the data to sustantiate any significant incidence of in-person voter fraud, post it!

  • wes alderson posted at 6:35 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9134

    I know Ron Zim is at least partly correct because, while living temporaril in California for medical treatment, my own registration was challenged.

    Yet, while I sat there at DMV (where registration is done in CA) I saw dozens of people whom I doubt were citizens obtain their drivers licenses and registrer to vote. One of them was right in line ahead of me, on my walker.

    I remember wondering why we were registering people who could not even speak English, to vote. Now that is not a racist comment. If somebody had a Norwegian Accent, I would wonder the same thing.

    Really, Ron, it seems obvious that we are allowing voter registration fraud and just winking at it, probably on both sides of the aisle.

    I long for the day when we can simply play by the rules and let the outcome determine the government.

  • ronzim posted at 12:03 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2894

    Wes: Exactly! As we can see from your comments, photo ID would not prevent that. I don't know about you guys but the photo on my birth certificate hardly resembles me at all. So someone goes to MVD, presents a birth certficate and now has photo ID and is registered to vote. When that person goes to the precinct to vote, their driving license might even act to increase voter fraud.

    There is no way that photo ID can prevent in-person voting fraud. The only purpose of such laws is to repress voting on the part of those thought to be predominately in the other camp.

  • wes alderson posted at 8:12 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9134

    Ron, we seem to be looking for methods for problems that cannot be solved, especially when both major parties do not want to solve the probems, rather, they want to contort the problems to help themselves.

    I may already have posted this elsewhere, but a few years ago before my ex-wife and I retired to Lakeside, there was a huge scandal in California called the "Motor Voter" issue. In this instance, both registration and voting in a couple of California Counties could be done by means of a drive through similar to Jack-In-The Box.

    Ron, I am disappointed in our system. I hope your wife is doing better in her health situation.


  • ArizAl posted at 8:53 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3986

    First of all there has not been any voter fraud of any consequence anywhere in the country.
    There has been voter registration fraud by the company hired by the National Republican party in Florida and other states.

    What there has been also, is Voter suppression by the Republican party state officals
    in Ohio, Pennsylania, Wisconsin that shortened the early voting days by 3 days in Democratic districts and not in Republican districts, by the state of Pennsylvannia Republican party officials making false authentic looking state commercials that photo I.D. was a requirement to vote, when the courts had said NO, that is not the case.

    What is more disturbing, is that the most of the voting machine companies in the country are Republican party connected and have in the past been involved in fraud and efforts by the government to check the accruacy of the machines are rejected by the companies claim of "proprietary rights" of trade secrets.

  • ronzim posted at 1:39 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2894

    This entire proposition is just plain balderdash! Think for just a moment! To be effective, attempts of individuals to vote twice or when ineligible could not possibly have any effect. Their numbers are just to few. Moreover, such persons would be spread among all states and therefor have no effect unless they acted in states which were truly in play.

    For that to be effective, it would have to happen on a large scale and be organized by a group with heavy financing. Now, the penalty for voter fraud is five years in prison and a $10,000 fine for EACH instance. The game would not be worth the candle.

    According to the Brennan Center for Justice, voter fraud was submitted to microscopic investigation in Washinton State and Ohio during 2004. The fraud rates found were 0.0009% and 0.00004%, respectively - less that being struck by lightening which I am sure Wes can confirm.

  • jim beck posted at 7:26 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    jim beck Posts: 592

    [thumbup] Mary must be a Ron Paul supporter as she described Paul's exact same sentiments in her letter.


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