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ObamaCare is DeathCare

Posted: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:00 am

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35 comments:

  • Russ_in_WML posted at 6:31 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Russ_in_WML Posts: 1800

    I agree Marc.

     
  • Whiplash Willy posted at 7:47 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Whiplash Willy Posts: 1234

    Dark Vader has almost completed the death star ,who will save us?

     
  • AZBoomer posted at 9:15 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 531

    "...then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population"

    ~ Ebenezer Scrooge

     
  • K posted at 9:15 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    K Posts: 555

    Correct again Marc. Who does he think he is God. He won't win again I feel
    very positive about Romney and getting our great Country back.

     
  • ArizAl posted at 1:55 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 4939

    Obamacare was patterned after Romneycare. In fact, the same two advisors that drew up Romneycare are the ones that drew up Obamacare. The only thing that Romney will change in Obamacare if he becomes President, is that insurance companies will not be regulated as much. They will be allowed to discriminate for pre-existing conditions, lower lifetime limits, increase the doughnut hole expenses, and best of all,for the insurance companies that is, they will dictate to the government what they will charge (no negotiated charges), The vampire corporations will be given carte blanche to the taxpayer's monies, just as years ago,defense department contractors charged $600.00 for a toilet seat,$40.00 for a small 1/2" bolt.

     
  • RYAN M A posted at 4:42 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    RYAN M A Posts: 1544

    Al,

    If thats really the way you feel about medical insurance offered by private insurance companies---THEN DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCT!!!!!!?

    Your a free man, no one is holding a gun to your head to make you buy anything. If you think Insurance companies are vampire corporations, you can take what you would be paying in insurance premiums and stuff it under your pillow and Pay your Dr. out of those funds. [wink]

     
  • wes alderson posted at 6:23 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Well, now pardners,

    Boomer, Jeff, Marc, Ryan, K, Al, and Russ . . . . .

    I figure we are all patriotic citizens. Therefore, we owe it to the nation and the administration to go cash in our chips and be sacrificed for sparte parts for the system to run smooth like.

    We better car pool on the way to Summit Health Care, because none of us will ever return.

    Nooooooo problem.

     
  • ArizAl posted at 6:47 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 4939

    Ryan, I'm on government healthcare...Medicare.

    Vampire corporations are any corporations that gouges the government and the taxpayers by overcharging and manupulation of products and service. The simple thing Ryan, is, if you are for corporations gouging the government and the American people please send them an extra amount out of your pocket, as much as you like. Their CEOs need to buy more jets and mansions. They can't do it on a measley 12 million dollars/ year salaries.

    "Beware of the Military-Industrial Complex".....President Eisenhower.

     
  • Rick Slo Low posted at 8:16 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Rick Slo Low Posts: 1369

    Sorry Ryan I worked for Snowflake School District for twelve years when I was diagnosed with cancer in 2007 they did everything they could to get rid of me finally firing me for cause there is no integrity or honor in the insurance companies its only about the bottom line and preying on the public.I worked and payed for medical insurance for forty years and am now at the mercy of the federal government nice how when you get terminally sick they shift you over to the taxpayers.

     
  • BillyD43 posted at 12:14 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    BillyD43 Posts: 1522

    Russ, Boomer, K, Marc & Ryan,
    Please, your ignorance is showing!
    This will be my last post as I am sick and tired of trying to get facts through your impenetrable heads.
    Rick, ArizAl, and yes, you to Wes,
    You will never get through the stone that is their brain. It's truly a huge waste of time and I'm done WASTING time and breath on these idiots.

     
  • BillyD43 posted at 12:15 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    BillyD43 Posts: 1522

    Don't worry, Davey boy, you won't have me to censor any more!

     
  • ronzim posted at 12:21 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 3800

    Ryan's alternative would be O.K. if we were taking about toasters or tools. It is however a brutal Randian example of full-throated social Darwinism when it concerns health care. First, the consequences of being uninsured are catastrophic. Second, the Ryan solution only applies if there were affordable alternatives available to everyone regardless of income. Third, Ryan knows full-well that the mattress money wouldn't last even one day for hospital care. My wife's two most recent visits involved admission via the ER, with an overnight stay for observation, and release about 12 hours later. In both cases, the bill was just under $20,000 and that did not include the ambulance and outside consultants.

    There are a few things that must never be entrusted to profit making entities and health care insurance is one of them (except for the rich). Some things are more important then money. Medicare for all!!! Decency demands at least that.

     
  • Arizonan posted at 7:46 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Arizonan Posts: 158

    Marc its obvious you didn't read the op ed! Why don't you tell us where Death Panels is written in obamacare, I'd like to read it for myself

     
  • lisep555 posted at 11:15 am on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    lisep555 Posts: 1

    I agree with ronzim. I had one bad year of health problems which unfortunatly happened at the same time my Cobra expired when I was unemployed. I am now uninsurable, my only option is a portability policy that is $750 a month with a $10,000 deductible. ONE visit to my specialist is $300. I am in good shape now health-wise but that does not matter, I will never be able to buy insurance again. SO....if something like that happens and you don't have buckets of money, you're sunk. The insurance companies are the death panels....in my opinion. A 'for profit' health care system is not fair, balanced or compassionate and never will be.

     
  • Marc-V-Ridenour posted at 12:48 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    Marc-V-Ridenour Posts: 344

    Dear BillyD43 , sorry you're not goig to post anymore. Oh well...by the way, my brain is not made from stone. I have been warning people about ObamaCare from the git-go. FYI, people 70 or over will NOT be cared for; they are, in f act, referred to not as "patients", but "UNITS". It's a lot esier to kill a "unit" than a "patient".

     
  • K posted at 1:26 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    K Posts: 555

    Oh Boo Hoo Billy Hate to see you go. I'm real sick of trying to get some real truth's into
    your impenetrable brain also, so bye bye.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 7:44 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Billy D, I'm surprised that you called down Arizona Al for being stone-brained. Although he and I tend to see things from opposits sides, Al is usually quite logical and open minded. We even agree now and then.

    Your demise came from the fact that you believe (sincerely I guess) that only people who a agree with your point of view can be "right." And when you encounter resistance, you resort to insults instead of relaxed logic.

    Whatever the case, fine. The WMI Blogs will get along just fine without somebody shouting names at others all the time. However, I still ask God to bless you and I hope you have a good life.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 8:02 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Arizonan? No offense, but when you said, above, it was obvious Marc didn't read the Op Ed . . . .. did you notice that he was the one who WROTE the Op Ed????

    Let's all try to treat this as yet another humorous example of how we get so worked up that sometimes we don't know what we are saying.[beam]

     
  • ArizAl posted at 8:26 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 4939

    BillyD43,

    I appologize for Wes, as he did not comprehend what you posted. I suppose that is because he has been having some medical issues.

    Your posts have always been intelligent, thoughtful and factual and I personally have welcomed them to the mix. The fact that the subject is politics and in politics,both sides get into the gutter sometimes should not be discouraging because the people know what is B.S. and what is factual. My take on this is:the more people post their opinion, the better, that includes you Billy.

     
  • ronzim posted at 1:14 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 3800

    555: One of the many excellent features of Obamacare is that you will soon be able to buy health insurance again because of the ban on rejections for pre-existing conditions. Tragically, Obamacare does not have a public option which is its main flaw. Still, I consider it a first step in getting Medicare for all.

     
  • ArizAl posted at 4:45 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 4939

    Ron, If Romney wins the election, he said he would implement his own new government Romneycare in place of Obamacare. Romney's health plan does allow for rejections of sick policyholders because of pre-existing conditions.

    In addition, the House Republicans are sponsoring legislation in HR 1206 that in essence kills the objectives of the 80/20 rule in Obamacares. That is the rule that is imposed on insurance companies to spend 80% of their premiums on actual enrollee health care clamis and programs to improve health care quality. If the standard is not met, insurance companies are to rebate those amounts over 80% back to the policy holders. Since the Obamare rule went into effect, this summer 12.8 million Americans recieved over $1.1 billion in rebates and small business owners recieved $321 million back in rebates. HR 1206 does away with the rule that encourages insurance companies to improve the quality of healthcare they give or else....rebate back a portion of premiums.

     
  • K posted at 7:01 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    K Posts: 555


    Published on Jul 16, 2012 by 68Truthseeker


    Sarah Palin was exactly right about death panels as this caller attests. Tonight, a brain surgeon called into Mark Levin's radio show and said that he had just recently visited Washington DC to review Obama's new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care for patients over 70 years old, issued by HHS. The plan, that included "ethics panels", stated that if your were over 70 years old and on government supported healthcare and you visited an emergency room, you get "comfort care":

    Here's an expert from the call:


    Caller: Basically what the document stated was that if you were over 70 and you'd come into an emergency room and you're on government supported health care, that you'd get "comfort care".

    Mark Levin: Wait a minute...what's the source for this?

    Caller: This is Obama's new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care.

    Mark Levin: And who issued this? HHS?

    Caller: Yes. And basically they don't call them patients, they call them units. And instead of -- they call it "ethics panels" or "ethics committees", would get together and meet and decide where the money would go for hospitals, and basically for patients over 70 years of age, that advanced neurosurgical care was not generally indicated.

    Mark Levin: So it's generally going to be denied?

    Caller: Yes, absolutely. ...If someone comes in at 70 years of age with a bleed in their brain, I can promise you I'm not going to get a bunch of administrators together on an ethics panel at 2 in the morning to decide that I'm OK to do surgery.

    Solient Green

    This a Very Scary Fact. I know 1st hand that the govt does alot of hiding of the facts so to avoid national hysteria & to slowly introduce things like this to soften the blow when it really happens.Ie: The fact that the AID's virus actually lives in dried blood for a week.This was hushed up by Hillary Clintons Health Panel of Dr's Dr.,s I know. Death panels are coming whether all of you "Units" out there want to admit it or not.

    Sounds like another ability for legal action against Obama care.

    Oh Al I think I would be apologizing to Wes for your condescending remarks.

    I apologize for Wes, as he did not comprehend what you posted. I suppose that is because he has been having some medical issues.

    Oh and Al what a bunch of crock BillyD's post have been intelligent, thoughtful and factual. When was that. People know what is B.S and what is factual. Ya like you know what is factual.

    Your posts have always been intelligent, thoughtful and factual and I personally have welcomed them to the mix. The fact that the subject is politics and in politics,both sides get into the gutter sometimes should not be discouraging because the people know what is B.S. and what is factual. My take on this is:the more people post their opinion, the better, that includes you Billy.

    The bottom line here is Hateful Liberal Democrats will curse you and threaten you because you are not sharing their points of view.

    The truth shall come out and set us all free even if you want to stay in your hateful box.

    Oh and Al I just read another statement from Obama himself that he was proud to be born in Kenya. This guy just cannot stop lying and you go along with that.

    Yes I agree you are stone brained and the most stubborn person I have ever come across. When the facts are there you need to go with it Al.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 9:06 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Al, you're right, that "in politics, both sides get in the gutter sometimes." Your comment does not make it right. Why can't mutual respect be the common ground?

    I did not say I celebrate BillyD's cave-in. Maybe somebody else did.


    For two years now I have supported Ron
    Zim'[s theme for univeresal Medicare. I still d0- it is proven to work.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 9:11 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    [beam] Hee hee hee.[wink]

     
  • wes alderson posted at 11:02 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Al,

    Was it Ben Franklin or President McDowell who said: "NEITHER A BAD-MOUTHOR NOR A BAD MOUTHEE BE?"

     
  • ArizAl posted at 7:24 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 4939

    Hey K!!

    Wanna know when someone is blowing smoke up you behind? Wes, is over 70 years old and so far with all the medical treatment he has recieved under government care Medicare has not done him under. The proof that you were being lied to was right in front of your face. But...then thinking isn't your strong suit is it?


    Wes, you old unit,you, just by being yourself, you have managed to shoot K,s amusing hollow retorts. Thank you. [beam][beam][beam]

     
  • Arizonan posted at 8:48 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Arizonan Posts: 158

    Arizonan? No offense, but when you said, above, it was obvious Marc didn't read the Op Ed . . . .. did you notice that he was the one who WROTE the Op Ed????

    Oh so Marc writes op eds for the NY times - I think not
    I was referring to the piece written by Steve Rattner
    its obvious you did not read it either [wink]

     
  • K posted at 8:53 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    K Posts: 555

    But that is not Obamacare AL, Medicare ain't that great but at least your not considered
    a unit and they don't have death panels yet.

    [smile]

     
  • tomyluc posted at 11:44 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    tomyluc Posts: 35

    Actually YES, You are considered A UNIT on Medicare!
    I havent seen this biggoted anger since living in the south. What, the president isn't WHITE enough for ya'll?!
    I was here during the 08 election after campaigning for Obama, Yeah! I saw little kids at my daughters school making blatantly racial remarks against Obama. Sad that they repeat what their parents spout off.
    I would point out that BUSH Jr. put us in this position after 8, yes 8 terrible years of rule by him and D!ck (anybody wanna go huntin) Cheney. Remember Haliburton!
    How about the change in Rx laws signed by Bush. Rx costs and co-pays went way up.
    National Healthcare or Romney Care, which is where the idea came from.......DUH, Is something that our children and their future need.
    What I see here is a bunch of Selfish citizens who have the right to be so, however that doesn't justify denying our future what they NEED!

     
  • ArizAl posted at 3:07 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 4939

    "The plan, that included "ethics panels", stated that if your were over 70 years old and on government supported healthcare and you visited an emergency room, you get "comfort care":...this is what you posted,K.


    K, Wes IS on government supported healthcare and It is called Medicare, and possibly Part" D" PDP. Additionally, he is over 70 years old and is still kicking even tho he has been to the emergency room for medical care and secondly, he is now elgible to take advantage of the new health benefits that Obamacare added to Wes's Medicare coverage. Of course, you do know that there are 40 million other people like Wes whom are recieving more benefits because of Obamacares.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 2:20 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Al, and K, and Ron,

    This is UNIT WES reporting in:

    As nearly always is the case, there is some truth in what Al says. I am 72 and Medicare is my primary insurance. However, I have my own private health care insurance called a Medigap Policy that has picked up 80 % of my cost including medications since the first of the heart attacks and strokes.

    I also pay for an in-home nurse, cash out of my pocket.

    It is very costly for me to have the Private Health Care plan. But if I did not, several of the physicians who know my case best would no longer be able to treat me.

    Since I got my first job at age 12, and paid social securty taxes starting then, including when I worked my way through UCLA, I have the strange feeling that I more than paid my own way in terms of my end-of-life current care.

    Now you know the "Rest of the Story."
    Unit Wes, over and out.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 6:03 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 9935

    Where is Unit Ron?[beam]

     
  • ArizAl posted at 5:38 am on Fri, Oct 12, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 4939

    Wes, you got it reversed...government Medicare pays 80% and your private Medigap insurance pays approx. 20%, depending which private Medigap policy plan you chose.
    Your Medicare premium for the 80% is $99.90 and your premium for the private Medigap coverage of 20% can be from $69.00 to $317.00 depending which Medigap plan you chose,the more it pays the higher the premium. Obamacare has added to Medicare, preventative screening benefits like women's breast cancer and colonoscopys, men's prostrate screening at no deductible, no co-insurance as well as decreasing the amount that those on Medicare will have to pay by 50%, when they fall into the donut hole.

    Wes, you and I and 40 million Americans have qualified for government healthcare medicare/Obamacare and there has not been a single case of "death panels", and we are a testament to that fact, because we are still kicking,breathing and posting.

    [wink]

     
  • BillyD43 posted at 9:49 am on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    BillyD43 Posts: 1522

    http://www.aarp.org/health/health-insurance/info-09-2012/medicare-and-health-care-reform-myths.html

     
  • BillyD43 posted at 5:15 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    BillyD43 Posts: 1522

    http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.3.html

     

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