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Romney says I'm a moocher

Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:00 am | Updated: 8:06 am, Sat Sep 29, 2012.

To the Editor: I was a moocher, I guess. When I was in the Navy in a combat zone in Korea, I paid no income taxes. Yet I was provided with food, shelter, and medical care, at no cost to me, by the Government (the Navy). They even paid me a salary!

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  • ocicatman posted at 6:00 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    ocicatman Posts: 123

    I'm sure Mr. Smith will see the folly of his letter once he sees it in print. We all know what Mr. Romney was talking about. There are 47% of us who PAY NO TAXES and still recieve some type of benefit from the government. Who pays the government you may ask? Why... it's the 53% who actually pay taxes and recieve NO benefits from the government ( or themselves as the case may be). Just as the liberals tried spin Mr. Obama's " you didn't build that" comment, they have likewise latched onto the "47%" comment by Mr. Romney and are trying to skewer it to mean something entirely different. I have an idea...let's have the candidates stand on their own records...no media sound bites....no hyperbole from the radicals from either party. The upcoming debates should give us all a much greater insight into the vision each candidate has for our country.

  • juliussr posted at 8:18 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    juliussr Posts: 513

    No person should be COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF unless he/she has walked the mile in military atire as a member of a Military Unit. The added stipulation is that this Tour of Duty is not as a Officer! This person will have to see all stages of service, Training both physical and mental, Disipline both physical and acording to UCMJ.This person has to know what they ask of and demand of those in Uniform.
    No man/woman shall be President that has direct or indirect ties to any Buisness, Industry or any Field of Profesion while he/she is in Office. Any contracts with, assistance to, or involvment with any of these, will be done in the same manner as all others.No Government Contracts will be awarded with out a set completion date and a set penaltity for non-completition on that date.

  • AZBoomer posted at 8:32 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    Nice try Ken, but you and I both know that's not what he meant. Presdent Obama's known as the 'Food Stamp President' because in the 1970's 1 in 50 Americans participated in the FS program, today it's 1 in 7. Do many of these people have a legitimate need? Of course, but far more are simply taking advantage of a system rife with fraud and abuse costing us all billions of dollars.

    With 100 million people on welfare, we now have nearly one-third of our population on entitlements. This clearly points to a systemic problem in our culture. In no way is there a need for one-third of any country to be on welfare. Unfortunately we now have a President who pushes the welfare state.

    So Ken, please don't be like the ObamaZombies on this forum who twist things out of context for their own political advantage. As a verteran, you're better than that

  • Nance posted at 8:54 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Nance Posts: 11

    Man that stinks, I just don't understand and disappointed in him for saying that about people that fought for his freedom, so he can enjoy his freedom and wealth. People still like him, I think they only hear what they want to hear and see.

  • wes alderson posted at 11:01 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    Folks, maybe I am just slow today, but after reacing this letter three times, I still do not see what point the writer is trying to make.

    I'm grateful for his military service, but what does that have to do with food stamps etc?

  • AZBoomer posted at 11:17 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    "I just don't understand and disappointed in him for saying that about people that fought for his freedom, so he can enjoy his freedom and wealth."

    Romney never said that. He was referring to the welfare career crowd, the food stamp crooks, and the other undesirables who constantly have their hands out for taxpayer-funded freebies. Get a clue, huh? I've also got some other startling news for you Nance: Santa Claus isn't real.

  • cybird posted at 12:15 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    cybird Posts: 16

    First, Thank you for your service. Second spit the Liberal Kool Aid out and vow to never take another drink.
    Romney was referring to people like the lady at Wal Mart last night in front of me in Mesa who purchased over 100.00 worth of alcohol and cigarrettes and then in a seperate transaction paid for groceries (and a lot of junk food) with the good ole EBT card.
    What Romney is saying is victims tend to vote democrat because they depend on the Govt to help them remain victims. Why would a "victim" who can and will not work want that gravy train taken away?
    Obama wants everyone to think that the mean old republicans want to take away your veterans benefits and Social Security. In reality Obama wants to tax you on your Medicare and Social Security. It takes a victim of liberal entitlements and waste to know one and Obama has never had to work an honest day in his life. It has been handed to him. Just look and see what accomplishments he has had that he earned? Maybe then the Kool aid will start to taste like the Mule spit it really is.

  • wes alderson posted at 12:31 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    Boomer? What do you mean Santa Claus isn't real? And the Easter Bunny? And Superman? Man, are you trying to disillusion me?

    Sob sob . . . waaaaaaaaaah.

  • wes alderson posted at 12:32 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    Wait a minute . . . wait . . . at least I know the Seven Dwarfs exist - a few years ago I attended the Pinetop-Lakeside Town Council Meetings.

  • AZBoomer posted at 1:34 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    "Boomer? What do you mean Santa Claus isn't real? And the Easter Bunny? And Superman? Man, are you trying to disillusion me?"

    Yeah Wes, maturity's a b*tch, what can I say..


  • ronzim posted at 2:44 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2750

    Last year, 76 million households paid no federal income tax. One half of those paid the entire menu of federal state and local taxes but were simply too poor to pay FIT.

    Of the remaining 38 million households, 17 millions were poor seniors and 11 millions were low income families with children (for example, a working couple with two children and less than $26,400 income took an $11,600 standard deduction and $3,600 exemption times four and had no FIT liability).

    The remainder consisted of poor households who took credits for the child Earned Income Tax Credit and/or child care credits and paid no FIT.

    This of course has nothing to do with food stamps and certainly is not germain to the worthless anecdotal evidence above.

    Source: Tax Policy Institute

  • ronzim posted at 2:53 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2750

    Jullius: Not bad, however, I don't care much for your exclusion of officers. I retired as an officer and cannot see why that would disqualify me for president. Generally speaking, the officer corps is better educated and has broader experience at levels more appropriate for civilian leadership. Presidents Grant, Eisenhower, and Truman were officers? Presidential candidate Goldwater was a general in the reserves. At all events, I served six and a half years as an enlisted man, including five years as an NCO, as was the case with many officers I knew. I don't get that?

  • Arizonan posted at 8:01 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Arizonan Posts: 158

    "Nice try Ken, but you and I both know that's not what he meant." Nice try boomer but that is exactly what he meant, once again proving you myth bots have no original thought of your own.
    The 47% includes veterans, homeless vets, disabled vets, the elderly,retired, the disabled, the poor, even poor republicans who will vote for stiff even though he looks down on them.

  • Whiplash Willy posted at 8:18 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Whiplash Willy Posts: 639

    When Mitt was talking about "those that serve" I think he was reffering to the staff members at the country club who bring his Shirley Temples and meant no disrespect to those in the military.

  • smarz49 posted at 8:04 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    smarz49 Posts: 11

    You sound like a teenager, twisting the facts to get his friends to think his parents are mean and unfair.

    Grow up!!!

  • juliussr posted at 8:27 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    juliussr Posts: 513

    ronzim,,, Thank You for your service. My intent in the afore mentioned post is, let those that have worked their way up the Military ladder, who know the laws, the procedures and have the diciplin to be a COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.As an Enlisted, you were subjected to the unknowing requirements of Officers that had no actual knowledge of the duties they had.Book knowledge is good in some fields, not the Military. As an Enlisted, in the U.S. Navy, I saw many Mid-Shipment Candates on ship that had no clue as to the workings of the equipment in their field.
    Ronzim, I do not profess to eliminate all Officers, rather it would be a requirement that prior to becomming an Officer that all Candates have searved the minimum of 4 yrs as an enlisted person.This giving this person the knowledge in all parts of the Service. How can a person that has not served tell our Military how to do a job.To be a succesful buisnessman, you need the practical and actual knowledge of all phasses of the buisness.Should we not have a COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF with the same knowledge. Can the National Guard , the Army Reserve, Navy Reserve or any other Reserve Unit provide the knowledge of the UCMJ, both from training and practical experence?Can any Reserve Unit provide Personell that have the daily experence that is taught in reference to job preformance, job requirements,Unit Moral and Unit Punishment ?Can the Reserve teach the Brotherhood that knowing that the ones in your Unit will have your back, or they to know that you have their back, and have the confidence to step forward?
    No more Service Dodgers Please!!!

  • TN4994 posted at 10:11 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    TN4994 Posts: 1649

    Either, someone knocked off my post or I messed up. No matter, just research "Presidents by their Military Service" or something along that line of thought.
    We had one who was only an Army private.
    Another worked his way from enlisted to officer.
    Not too many pure cilvilians.

  • ArizAl posted at 10:59 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831


    Someone knocked off several of my posts or WMI is selectively omitting them. None had bad language or anything of the sort. Just like you, No Matter, I will submit them again.

  • ronzim posted at 12:50 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    ronzim Posts: 2750

    julius: You are more than welcome. I loved every minute of it.

  • wes alderson posted at 3:16 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    Ken, nobody is saying you are a moocher and I think you realize that.

    JuiusSR . . . . actually, people who succeed at business need NOT know all the innter workings of the business they run. I was one who did, merely because I began at the bottom rung, and worked my way up to where I bought the company.

    But lots of medium sized and large business are run by those whose talents are accounting, engineering, marketing, or production . . . but rarely all four. This is why the smart CEO surrounds himself with specialitis from each dept in the board of directors.

    Frankly, though, I personally enjoyed knowing something about every aspect of my business because I was able to make hard decisions and still sleep at night. But mine was a small business - only ten employees at max.

    Now - I know you made that point because of what you feel should be the qualfications for Presdient of the USA. Do you realize that this would mean he had to literally previously occupy every important position in government, military, and civilian life? That will never happen.

  • wes alderson posted at 3:20 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938


  • TN4994 posted at 7:27 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    TN4994 Posts: 1649

    Al, thanks for the note. If someone (it takes two) is doing it, at least they're not discriminating. [wink]
    It wasn't until I read julius' post that I checked out the rank and file of our presidents.
    Have you checked out the one that paid someone to take his place when he was drafted?

  • wes alderson posted at 10:11 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    TN and Al:

    I remember when studying history in High School, how surprised I was when I learned that in the 19th Century, many wealthy paid others to do their military service and it was considered okay.

    Until the draft laws were revised many years later.

    If any of your posts are knocked off when you do not actually engage in abusive conduct, I suggest calling Lia Angelus at WMI and telling her so. Under reasonable circumstances, your posts will be restored.

  • sunstorm127 posted at 11:04 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    sunstorm127 Posts: 21

    So for those of you who think it's wrong to get benefits and not pay income tax... Mr. Romney WAS talking about all of the young people out there who have gotten to be disabled through injury or disease, get benefits and pay no income tax even if he wasn't talking about military or ex-military. I worked. For years I worked and supported my family. I was fired from a charitable organization when I was diagnosed with leukemia because "I would no longer be reliable". I was the single mother of 4 children. I made a complaint about being fired but "Arizona is a right to work state" so they didn't do anything. So I got benefits. Does that make me a moocher? If it does then you can all kiss my rear and I'll be proud to be one because I did what my children needed me to do to support them. I'm now still disabled, almost done with a Bachelors degree from an online college (something I did so as not to waste my mind any longer) and can't find work because I have no job history for the last 10 years while I was fighting cancer. Am I still a moocher because I get benefits to support my kids? I was married and able to afford the kids when I had them. Their father turned into a drug addict and after finding him drunk and passed out next to a dumpster I tried to kill myself and he left me in the mental hospital. He doesn't pay child support unless its to keep himself out of jail and recently moved to another state to avoid a child support warrant and got a job under the table so they can't take it out of his check... but *I* am the moocher because *I* pay no income tax... Romney is a so rich and out of touch with real people that he thinks $200,000/year is middle class income! I make LESS than $10,000/year on Social Security and that has to support 5 people! My fiance has a broken vertebrae in his spine and has been denied for Social Security twice (now waiting on a hearing) and has custody of a daughter who's mother doesn't pay child support like she's supposed to either but he is expected to pay the state back for when she was in foster care after her drug addict mother lost her to CPS and told them for 6 months that she didn't know where my fiance was even though his mom was right down the street from her... So yes, I get food stamps and I get medical for me and my kids. They give me less than $900/month in food stamps for 7 people and one of my kids has celiac disease so he has to have gluten free foods which cost 2-3 times what regular food costs (about $5 for half a loaf of bread)... I'm not using it to buy drugs and I'm not sitting on my rear not doing anything. I'm getting my education (something I have to pay back $40,000 for by the way), I'm raising my children and I'm doing the best I can to keep a roof over our heads and lights on... does that make me a moocher? If so, I'm VERY proud to be one and give much respect to the new definition of the word! Thanks Mr. Romney for showing your true colors and thanks to all of you for showing yours. Someone should have taught all your mothers to be better moms cause she forgot to teach you all not to call names and judge not lest ye be judged.! Thanks for putting your small minded opinions out there for everyone to see! By the way... I don't consider myself to be a "victim" either... I consider myself a survivor and a fighter! And I know that I have been raising my children to be better people than any of you because they will grow up and be sucessfull because they have lived a real life full of struggles and accomplishments and haven't had everything handed to them by their family or their church (oh yea I went there!) Enjoy your $200,000/year middle class Romney supporters... I will continue to enjoy my $10,000/year life full of reality and know that my President (who happened to make less than $800,000 last year) will have my back!

  • ArizAl posted at 2:27 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831

    Let's see hummm, according to Mittwit Romney, people that don't pay taxes and are on welfare or food stamps, are moochers and lack responsibility for their lives. I wonder if Mittwit considers his parents as bottom feeders, lacking in personal responsibiltiy, or moochers when they were on welfare as mexican immigrants to the U.S.? Also, one has to wonder if Mittwitt knows that if his parents were on welfare when he was a child..he ate and was nurished by food commodities paid for by our government social services. The same, he now wants to cut funds for other poor families.

  • juliussr posted at 3:55 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    juliussr Posts: 513

    Wes, you have said the majic words. They surround them selves with people that know what they are doing, then they take the credit for everything. They accept outreagus saleries and benitit packages for doing nothing.Wes, if the shoe fits, wear it.We do not need another President that will not work to insure that the workers have the Pay, the Benifits and the security that our parents and Grand-parents had when they worked. We do not need a President that bows to and kisses the ------'s of the Lobiyest and Foreign Buisnesses.We do not need a President that will continue to insure that the Profit line is more important than the future of the Citizens of this Country.CEO's have deemed that their futures are more important than the workers. They fail to understand that without workers, they will be out of a job too.
    I am, likewise, fedup with Draft Doggers, Weekend Worriers and College Boys that have no experence in the Millitary telling our Children and Grand-Children to put their lives in harms way so they can take the creddit for the Job-well-done.

  • wes alderson posted at 10:59 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    Julius, you know I dislike the hordes of buroucracy that our government includes. BUT - what I said above was about the fact that there are so many specialites required to be President that a team of really good high level specialists really is justified. In fact the highest level of those specialists is the President's Cabinet.

    Obviously there needs to be a chief economics advisor, a secretary of defense, a homeland security chief, a secretary of state, etc. It would be physically impossible for a President to undertand all these sorts of things and do the amount of work required to run everything single-handedly.

    Picture, for example, how a President could handle the responsibilities is he had to give a speach at the UN, meet with the Federal Reserve Chairman, and visit Russia, all at the same time on the same day.

    We should have no resentments against a good, tight, and effective staff for any member of our government. What we SHOULD resent is having tends of thousands of assistants, secretaries, advisorts, provate jets, huge expense accounts, etc etc.

    That's why I am an anti-bureaucrat.

    And by the way, Old Buddy - - - I went to UCLA so I am one of those "College Boys" you don't approve of. BUT - I worked my own way through that institution because my Dad was a drunk. And I took ROTC, but then instead of going through medical school like I wanted to do, I volunteered for the 301 Military Government group and served my time. So please don't hold the mistaken belief that College does something bad to a person. It depends on the person.

  • K posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    K Posts: 510

    Well Juliussr you already have a President who bows and kisses the ------ of our Foreign leaders. Everything you say is talking about your current pos President.

    We certainly don't need him for another 4 years.

    And WMI I think ArizAl should be disbarred from this opinion section. He is just as bad as BillyD with his foul mouth.

    Yes I get p----- off but I try to keep my language not demeaning of the other person.

  • AZBoomer posted at 12:34 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    Give it up Al, you're starting to sound like a scratched, screechy, broken record.

    Romney has said over and over he applauds this country's Government funded saftey net for people who fall on tough times - as a stepping stone for when they get back on their financial feet and not as a career choice.

    Unfortunately, Obama thinks everyone should be on the public dole and receiving endless and costly freebies from the Government. As our dependance population grows, so does Obama's base. The quintessential liberal democrat ideology.

  • ArizAl posted at 2:31 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831

    Sorry Boomer, your candidate stinks all the way up to high heaven.

    Romney has said everything about everything, his positions on policies are like a weather vane....changes every day. During his primary campaign Reomney said "he was not concerned about the american poor;" During his speech to the wealthy elites in Boca Raton, Florida, he said "there's nothing we can do for those that don't pay taxes,they are depended on government and lack responsibility."

    Romney was for abortions, then against, now he is for. Romney was for government healthcare (Romneycare), then he was against it, now he is bragging how good his government healthcare is. Romney was for climate change when he was governor,then he was against it, now he is for it.

    Boomer, the only thing that Mittwit Romney has been steady on, is extending the Bush tax cuts and charging them to the national debt and lowering the tax rates 20% for the wealthy and either charging it to the national debt or cutting funds for programs that help the poorest of Americans.

  • wes alderson posted at 2:36 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    I know you. You are a respectable citizen.

  • wes alderson posted at 2:38 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    To be continued, here - I was cut off. You are a respectable citizen who has served his nation just like I have done. Romney is not calling you a Moocher.

    The reality is that President Obamajad is trying to CONVERT everybody into moochers.

  • ArizAl posted at 4:32 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831

    Republicans, Democrat, Independents, Jews, Catholics, Mormons, women, the poor, and canines do not like the Mittwit.

  • wes alderson posted at 7:02 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    Despite Arizoni Albert's attempt to change the subject, the fact is, "Moochers are not deisngated by others, especially Politicians. Moochers make themselves Moochers."

    And Ken is not a Moocher.

  • AZBoomer posted at 8:41 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    "Sorry Boomer, your candidate stinks all the way up to high heaven"

    As long as he stinks slightly less than your loser come November, I don't really care. heck, I'd vote for a bucket of vomit if it would keep Obummer and "I hate being first lady" Michelle out of the White House.

  • ArizAl posted at 10:42 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831


    #1. I agree with you, Mittwitt Romney is equivilent to a bucket of vomit.Cast your vote for the bucket of.......!

    #2. So sorry to inform you, the Prez and Michelle are already residents of the White House. (notice I didn't say the Cayman Islands)

  • AZBoomer posted at 5:47 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    "So sorry to inform you, the Prez and Michelle are already residents of the White House"

    Not for long!

  • wes alderson posted at 9:40 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    [offtopic] Did any of you kind folks notice what happened in Spain today?

    Or what happened in Libya two weeks ago?

    There are important things to study. Instead of cussing each other out over details in the Mountain Forests.

  • ArizAl posted at 5:51 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831

    Sorry to inform you Boomer, the American people disagree with you and the rest of extremists.

  • AZBoomer posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    "Sorry to inform you Boomer, the American people disagree with you and the rest of extremists"

    Oh my, I'm an 'extremist' because I want this country to move from the far left back to center...fascinating, taken directly from the DHS playbook.

    How does it feel being a traitor to your country? Do you feel good about it? Do you sleep well at night?

  • ArizAl posted at 5:39 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831

    "How does it feel being a traitor to your country? Do you feel good about it? Do you sleep well at night?"

    I don't know Boomer.......but can you tell me how you got to be so stupid? No wonder Republicans don know how to govern. Cheech!!!

  • wes alderson posted at 12:26 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    People, please,

    Do we have the intelligence to notice that suddenly, after a series of offensive comments, it would seem BillyD ended up in the penalty box again?

    That being the case, is there any way to calm down the cronfrontiveness between Al and Boomer?

    Boomer, I ususally side with you on these issues, and I am usually at odds with Arizona Al. But I don't think that he is a traitor to our nation.l Not at all. He believes that the things he says are in our best interest.

    What we have here is a sincere difference of opinion and that will always happen when people are free to think on their own and express themselves openly. Thank God.

    Warm regards to all,

  • AZBoomer posted at 9:51 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    "Boomer, I ususally side with you on these issues, and I am usually at odds with Arizona Al. But I don't think that he is a traitor to our nation.l Not at all. He believes that the things he says are in our best interest."

    Well Wes, when I hear of patriotic, honest Americans who believe in the constitition and the rule of law being labeled 'etremists' and potential 'domestic terrorists' by our own government and left wing fanatics like Al, it raises my blood pressure a tad. Perhaps Al isn't a traitor per se, just extremely misguided, as are most hard core liberals.

    I'll count to ten next time before shootin' from the hip. Deal?

  • wes alderson posted at 1:53 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    wes alderson Posts: 8938

    Hi Boomer!

    It's a deal. Last time I counted to ten, I got shot on nine. Hee hee hee.[beam]

  • ArizAl posted at 3:17 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    ArizAl Posts: 3831

    Relax Boomer, just because right wingers are slow of apprehension and understanding
    of the issues that causes them to take extreme positions and name calling. Which we Liberals don't mind as it only makes them look silly. As I continuely have said, "That's why Republicans don't know how to govern."

  • AZBoomer posted at 7:58 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    AZBoomer Posts: 480

    "Relax Boomer, just because right wingers are slow of apprehension and understanding of the issues that causes them to take extreme positions and name calling. Which we Liberals don't mind as it only makes them look silly"

    Is your Indian name 'Condescending Windbag' by chance? No? It should be..

    I'm am curious however, can you give me an example of an 'extreme position'?


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