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With pigs so close, why are bacon prices so high?

Posted: Friday, June 3, 2011 5:00 am | Updated: 6:32 pm, Sun Jun 5, 2011.

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37 comments:

  • lost7271 posted at 6:49 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    lost7271 Posts: 94

    I hate to say it this way but the reason the prices are so high is because are lovely goverment has to stick there nose into it and radiate are meat and add cemicals into the can foods we buy. they have passed laws where your not allowed to raise and sekll products to your friends or the folks down the street.
    untill the people tell goverment to but out of the food and agg industry you will only see price go higher as they take more of are money away from us in the form of retirement and military benifits.you are free to reasurce the topic but you will find i,m on the money sorry,kevin

     
  • Midnight Rider posted at 7:30 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    Midnight Rider Posts: 90

    Rhonda, I would assume the main reason is transportation costs. First, getting the feed here from the Midwest or where ever it comes from. Second, the hogs go to California for slaughter. Last, once the hogs are processed, the transportation cost to truck the product BACK here!

     
  • wes alderson posted at 10:53 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    Rhonda, thank you for expressing your opinion. The reason for the high prices is the United Pigs Union of America. (UPUA) The UPUA, having only pigs as members, voted in a decision that they do not like their piglets harvested for cheap prices. They insist that the prices remain high so that they do not live their lives in vain, only to be sold for 50 cents a pound. They feel that is Pig Injustice.

    You may consider picketing the Pig Farm to protest their action. You have the right to do this, but consider Arizona is a right to work state, and the pigs can do whaterver they want. I dread to think of the disastrous consequences of a Pig Strike for higher wages.

    One alternative is to start your own pig farm and slice the bacon at whaterver price you feel is appropriate, no matter how many squeels of indigation you hear.

    Another alternative is to simply not buy any product which has a higher price than you feel it should. This would invoke the law of supply and demand.

    Then too, let's keep in mind the fact that bacon is one of the foods with the lowest nutrient value for human beings. You would be better off relying on other meats and egss and dairy products for your family.

     
  • TraciMauven posted at 11:25 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    TraciMauven Posts: 104

    Mr. Lost, I agree that our government is waaaay too instrusive in most respects. There are specific portions of business including agricultural, though, where governement is needed. Pig regularion is one such. Pigs are notorious as carriers of the parasite Trhichosis. Espcially if cheap bacon is brought in from Mexico, where 90% of the pork is infested. I had a neighbor once, who ate pork tamales at a Mexican Retaurant and got trichinousis. Both his legs were amputated as as a result. There are no drugs to treat against this terrible tiny worm.

    Bacon can and does carry this worm. I would never never never eat bacon prepared locally without this expensive government inspection.

    There are other examples of why foods cost more than one would expect. If Rhonda wants to risk the lives of her family by getting cheap bacon, there is a black market where she can go to the farm and buy the bacon they make for their own tables, under the counter. Make sure your will is written first.

    And Mr. Rider is right that transportation of feed and other things are also involved. Even corn prices are part of the blame, because they are way up because so much corn is being turned in to ethynol for gasoline these days.

    Best bet? Buy cheese instead of bacon. Makes good omelets as long as it is not infested with Lysteria germs. And as long as the eggs are not infested with salmonella. What a world. The only way to avoid death by food poisoning is to go without eating and starve to death first.

     
  • Camulos posted at 1:59 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    You know, Bible-believer or not, waaaaay back in the times that Genesis took place it, and into Leviticus, pork consumption was (and, accordingto the New Testament) still is, an abomination.

    God has His reasons to disallow certain animals for consumption by human beings.

    What Traci did not cover is that quite a bit of the national pig-providers for market sales feed their pigs on items from hospital dumpsters. Pigs eat their own feces. Pigs eat their young.

    Remember - 'you are what you eat'.

    Camulos consumes no pork. Ever.


    [wink]

    As to the costs of pork products - let us also not forget that the pigs that are fed 'healthy' foods, corn prices (as corn is the predominant feed) are obnoxiously high due to GMO and the changing to corn for the useless and worthless ethanol.

    [smile]

     
  • wes alderson posted at 7:00 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    My Dad was half Jewish on his Mother's side. He insisted that our family avoid the consumption of Pig Meat. As time went by I saw plenty of good solid reasons (even if not God-isnpired) for the avoidance of pork on the side of both the Jewish and Islamic traditions. The risk to our health outweighs the gain of bacon taste.

    Thank you Camulos, and thank you Tracy.

     
  • whitemountainruthie posted at 8:03 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    whitemountainruthie Posts: 238

    you see i knew if we wated long enogh we'd see why wes alderson is cursed cause now he admits his father is half jewish and thats like saying he is going to darkness cause its not accoriding to the church and you all now whut im talking abought now and no wundere that evil man was prosecuting me for my religon.

     
  • che guevara posted at 11:55 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

    che guevara Posts: 892

    Perhaps Ms. Phillips , you should look at the high price of bacon as a blessing in disguise as this may inspire you to stop the consumption of the stuff . The fetid , uric smell from the pig farm should be an indicator in and of itself of the fowl nature of the product . In ancient times pigs were used to clean out septic cisterns because of their willingness to consume fecal matter . In addition , this is why pork was shunned by the Hebraic and Islamic peoples and the consumption of the stuff was often associated with sickness and death as pork was notorious for harboring the influenza virus . The parable from the Bible where Jesus casts out a legion of demons from an insane man and sends these demons into a herd of swine has a much deeper meaning behind it . The ancient Semetic peoples were also aware of something that was divulged by the ancient dieties ; that is the fact that swine and humans have the many commonalities in their DNA strands (yes they knew about DNA in the ancient world) . Therefore the consumption of pork was considered taboo for reasons other than hygenic . There is a reason why a pandemic named the Swine Flu (H1N1) was created and unleashed on mankind . As if all this were not bad enough , all commercial raised meats are fed a diet in the feedlots based on Genetically Modified Organism (GMO) grains that are toxins in and of themselves . These commercial farms are akin to an Auschwitz type of operation were these animals live amidst their own feces and urine and diseases are easily transmitted . Sick animals are processed along with the not as sick ones and delivered to your friendly supermarket . Then of course there are the hormones that these critters are injected with to make them market ready at a faster rate and the preservatives such as the nitrates and nitrites pumped into the bacon or what have you to add shelf life . By feeding this to the boys in your family you are in reality chemically castrating them as the estrogen based hormones and chemical preservatives are attacking their essential hormone production and reproductive organs (future viagra users) resulting in decreased sperm count and a gradual feminization of the male of the species (dairy products are however the biggest culprit , Got Milk ? ). Go to any school and look at how the young girls are blossoming out at younger and younger ages , then notice all the powder-puff , flabby looking boys . We can't forget to mention the cancinogenic fat content as well and the cardio vascular issues to follow that these days have even began their onset prior to adulthood in increasingly more cases . Still want that bacon Ms. Phillips ? As far as I am concerned Farmer John can sit on his pitchfork .

    An interesting fact about bacon is that prior to the first world war bacon was used primarily as a seasoning in dishes such as beans . The consumption of bacon as we know it today was started by the John Morell meat packing company after the first world war when they experienced an excessive inventory of pork bellies . They undertook what was thought by many to be a radical sales pitch , that is , getting Americans to eat bacon as a meat portion of a meal such as bacon and eggs . Additionally , in the old days the bacon that was used was a truly smoked product that was double smoked and required no refrigeration at all . The stuff they sell in the supermarkets is a chemically produced product that in all truthfulness is unfit for human consumption .

     
  • wes alderson posted at 7:23 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    Thank you, Che. You put a whole new meaning on the old expression of. "Bringing hom the bacon." Yech!

     
  • Rhonda posted at 7:29 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Rhonda Posts: 3

    I find it interesting that this became a "religious" issue. I personally don't care what your religion is or why you think that pigs are "bad" for you. If I want a piece of bacon, I will have one and not worry about if it's going to give me cancer. You can open your front door and it's somehow linked to some horrible disease. The comment I made does not simply apply to bacon, it basically applies to all meats..... all groceries for that matter right now. The same can be said of chicken and cow (or whatever meat you choose to consume if any) as far as what they are eating and etc. Since the almighty dollar has become so important to the people raising these animals are you trying to suggest to me that these others are not using "whatever" to enhance the process? To make them grow faster? I can guarantee you they are... So I guess the only appropriate solution would be to stop eating meat completely which some people have and of course they have the right to do such however, I also have the right to eat meat if I want to. The point I was trying to make is this... since WE DO have to put up with the smell of a pig farm, why are we not benefiting at least a little by having even slightly lower prices? I'm quite sure that since they are pig business that they comply with the inspections and such and I hardly think that giving my family a piece of bacon every now and again is putting their lives in danger. That's a little dramatic. I refuse to live in fear of anything or follow the masses. I actually make my decisions based on what I feel is best for me and mine instead of allowing the news or the government or my neighbors opinions to dictate or influence my personal decisions. I know this is almost unheard of but believe it or not, this is how I run my life. I also know that there are other busineses in this area that are doing what they can to help out and with half of Arizona on unemployment right now, it seems to me the local large businesses would be more willing to participate and take less of a profit for a short time in order to spur the economy some. With folks on unemployment what exactly are they supposed to be spend, spend, spending? Their rents or mortgages? Their utilities or car payments? Their medical for themselves or their children if they are fortunate enough to have any medical insurance right now? Their required insurances? Exactly how far does $300.00 per week go with a family? How far does it go without one? As far as any politcal statements that were made? Well, I am not a political person, I do vote but don't believe a single word they say, any of them but in that particular arena..... just how long are we all willing to remain frogs in a simmering pot? Who is really in control here? The People or the Government? When are The People going to start getting mad enough about all misappriopriatoins of funds (and who knows what else) and the utter lack of responsibility being taken for this when "The People" are the ones who are the ones paying the price? i.e. gas prices, grocery prices and etc. If we were the ones not paying our bills on time or unable to pay them at all, we would be forced into bankruptcy and yet..... we have the Government which apparently, because no one is "willing" to get involved, can do whatever they want. When are we going to start "Rocking the Boat"? Or, are we just willing to be blindly led off the ledge of the cliff? When are we going to stop sending billions to other countries to help them keep from starving to death when half of our country is starving? And who is supporting this? WE ARE! Enough of that. I must say however, that I do appreciate all of the comments made. I was wondering what others thought of this and am grateful that you were willing to give me your opinions. I am hoping that there are some you out there that are at least willing to consider another point of view with regard to these issues and I am grateful that I have other points of view to consider. Thanks again and you all have a great day!

     
  • DrNodstrom posted at 7:47 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    DrNodstrom Posts: 154

    Mr. Guevera. With reference to your comment about Jesus casting the demons into a herd of swine. Here in Pinetop-Lakeside we do not need the swine. The demons have been cast into our Town Governement which consists of felons as it stands.

     
  • wes alderson posted at 12:20 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    Rhonda, you are right that religion should have no bearing on the bacon issue, other than, perhaps the fact that some readers cannot eat it if they observe their various faiths. We all have the right to worship (or not) as we see fit. And, to eat as we see fit. If I want to go out in the garden and eat Amanita Phalloieds Toad Stools (Death Caps) that is my right too.

    But you , know Che is right. Of all the neats, the one meat whcih is the worst in terms of fats lots of preservatives is bacon. It is linked more with cardiac and CVA disease than any other meat. But do as you wish.

    In the case of the cost, though, you are out of luck. That is not being open minded nor closed minded. The person who cited the costs of producing bacon and transporting feed (Camulos) was entirely correct, and fact is fact, not opinion. I'm sorry for the foul odors of the pig farms.

     
  • Rhonda posted at 12:31 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Rhonda Posts: 3

    Excuse me but if you are unable to keep on point with your conversation, please do not respond. The original "Letter to the Editor" had absolutely nothing do with any kind of religious view points and quite frankly, I am offended that some folks are unable to have a personal opinion without having to bring their entire religious educations into the conversation and using this forum to do it. I don't want to hear any more about Jesus or Demons or the role that "bacon" plays in any of them. For the love of God! It was an opinion on the PRICE OF BACON!

     
  • wes alderson posted at 12:42 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    Rhonda, please take it easy. To stick entirely with your announced topic, whatever the cause of the high price of bacon, just or unjust, this is a Free Market. Retailers are free to charge whatever the market will bear, with or without reason.

    I eat bacon too. If I do not like paying the high price, my choice is either to pay it anyway, or simply not buy it. Reference: Capitalism 101.

     
  • White Mountain Resident posted at 2:17 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    White Mountain Resident Posts: 105

    Rhonda, give 'em all you got. I too am amazed at how several of the regular posters on this site have to always bring their religion and morals into most every article or letter to the editor. You'd think they are all preachers.

     
  • Rick Slo Low posted at 4:54 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Rick Slo Low Posts: 1369

    [smile] I hear the world has a lot of "long pig" out there which seems to be a less expensive meat and tastes identical to pork bon appetite.[beam]

     
  • Camulos posted at 5:30 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    A breif lesson for Rhonda:

    The book of Leviticus sets a 'menu' of sorts for mankind, as pertains to animal consumption.

    Looking at 'fish', the Bible declares that if the creature from the sea has both fins AND scales, it is safe to eat, but if it lacks either, avoid it.

    Fast forward many millenia to the mid 20th Century. The United States Navy spent $20 million on a research project. That project was based on a 'what if':

    What if a sailor was stranded on a desert island, with ONLY the ocean from which to get food to maintain his life. What would be the best food source for him to eat?

    After roughly a decade (and $20 million), they had their conclusive finding:

    If it has both fins AND scales, it is safe to eat, but if it lacks either, avoid it.

    Imagine that - they could have found that information in a centuries-old text for FREE - without declaring it 'religious'.

    But you see, mankind has a free will that allows him to be stubborn and want to have to find things out for himself. Why not just 'do what you're told' and avoid the headache? I do, and I don't even have to get all 'religious' about it.

    [wink][beam][thumbup]

     
  • lost7271 posted at 6:02 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    lost7271 Posts: 94

    Rhonda,,i'm as bad as most on here about are petty little fights, but i can tell you pork prices held steady the last week and beef has been falling. I work on a cattle ranch and trust me the man raising the cattle or pigs is working on a very slim margain of proffit,All the money is made after it goes to the sale barn not by the person raising it.And soon with are economy we will not be able to afford bacon or alot of other meats.i seen a add for hamburger on sale so i went and looked at it, it was more fat then meat.
    We all need to go back about 40 years ago and raise are own food because its the only way you can afford to eat.I have used the freeze dried bacon the price holds steady but the real bacon flavor is gone out of it.Sorry times are changing and we are going into times like the great depression and this time it will be worse,enjoy your day and let them rant and rave pick out the good ones and forget the rest, kevin

     
  • TraciMauven posted at 6:38 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    TraciMauven Posts: 104

    I don't understand White Mountain Residents comment, to "Give 'em all you got."

    Rhonda's very first sentence was, "I wonder if someone can explain to me why I paid almost $4.00 a Lb for bacon at the store the other day . . ."

    So Wes and Camulos explained to her exactly what she asked in good solid economic principles of capitalism and Free Market.. So why is she complaining? She may want to use the knack of listening to the facts and ingoring those who go off topic to religion.

     
  • Camulos posted at 9:07 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    "...I am offended that some folks are unable to have a personal opinion without having to bring their entire religious educations into the conversation and using this forum to do it."

    Rhonda - Newsflash:

    You are free to ignore whatever posts you are "offended" by. Perhaps some should feel "offended" that you feel "offended" by an excercise in the First Amendment.

    Following, my first comment started with a statement that one's faith mattered not, it is a matter of historical record, and there were (and stil lare) reasons for it. Nothing "religious" or 'spiritual' was mentioned. It was, and is, a health issue. If you persist in your whining, I could post here an entire discourse of the "religious" and 'spiritual' reasons for the call in the Bible for not eating it. Of course, you could not restrain yourself, nor refrain from reading it, and if the little mentions of the Bible in this thread "offended" you, I imagine your head might well explode... perhaps I shall prepare a discourse, after all.

    Carry on.

    [smile]

     
  • DrNodstrom posted at 8:43 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    DrNodstrom Posts: 154

    Rhonda closed her letter asking how other people felt about this "BACON CRISIS OF 2011."

    I thus state how I feel: It's is a symptom of just how sick and small-minded the general population in this area is, that a letter about such a small issue as bacon, for God's sake, would draw 20 responses, arguments pro and con and even occupy the minds of normally intelligent people such as Camulos, Che, and Alderson.

    Surely we all should care less about mere bacon than about Middle East wars, nuclear disasters, crashing economies, and government corruption in Pineetop-Lakeside. What is wrong with us?

     
  • lakesider posted at 5:50 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    lakesider Posts: 817

    Rhonda,

    Sometimes, making the right decision "costs" more than making the wrong one (depending on how you relate with the cost of things). We only vote for our representatives every two or four years, but we vote with our wallets and checkbooks every day.

    So, who's really bringing home the bacon? You, or The Capital-G?

     
  • wes alderson posted at 9:11 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    Great God! Why would a silly issue like the cost of bacon arouse so much antagonism? There are really important things to think about and accomplish.

     
  • lakesider posted at 10:20 pm on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

    lakesider Posts: 817

    Escape: work & fire

    What time is it? Which is better: catchup, relish, or mustard? Bacon, or ham? Pepsi or Coke?

    A mob control tactic used to allow others to escape from being part of one...

     
  • Rhonda posted at 5:56 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Rhonda Posts: 3

    hahahahahaha...... over bacon. Simply amazing. Thanks for all the responses though, I really found all of this quite entertaining. Whomever said that I had the right to ignore whatever I wanted to is right..... just as you have the right to ignore whatever I said that got all your feathers ruffled. With this kind of action over the simple question of the cost of bacon, I think maybe some of us should consider forming a debate team..... now THAT would be fun! Until next time..... You all take good care and and enjoy (or not) your bacon! :)

     
  • AzisGr8 posted at 8:42 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    AzisGr8 Posts: 272

    Ok, without reading the previous posts I can tell you some facts about the pork industry in AZ.

    First the pigs raised here in AZ are marketed in LA, CA. Just because pigs live here doesn't mean pork is made here.

    Second, some years ago many of you voted to ban gestation crates here in AZ. This has also been a trend in other states that has been pushed by th humane Society of America. Whoes platform is to cause the cost of pork to become cost-prohibative for low income people and thus reduce the amount of those who eat pork, (and meat).

    Without getting into a debate on crates vs. pens, I can tell you that when you combine the efforts of eliminating antibiotics and reducing the inventory and performance of the sows in production the overall effect will be a reduction of supply and an increase in price.

    Also with 60% of total cost in producing pork being feed, thanks to the ethanol mandate currently imposed, our corn supply is now tied to the price of oil.

    So get use to the current CHEAP price of protien right now because it is only going higher from here.

    Peace to all

     
  • Camulos posted at 9:51 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    "...whatever I said that got all your feathers ruffled."

    Uh... Those were YOUR feathers, dearie.

    [wink]

     
  • wes alderson posted at 10:45 am on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    Attn: Chester:

    May we please have your closing comment on bacon and feather ruffling?

     
  • DrNodstrom posted at 6:27 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    DrNodstrom Posts: 154

    My goodness gracious, Rhonda. If eating cheap bacon is that important to your family you could always drive down the road a piece and buy a whole pig, take it home, butchter it your self, and eat the flesh raw and uncured and raw. Yummers, girl.

     
  • Camulos posted at 12:48 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    Good point, Dr. Nodstrom.

    I suppose then the complaint would shift to 'why is the cost of pig feed so high?'

    Either way, the price would be paid. What's the bill for feeding a pig over the requisite course of the pig's life, then butchering it to eat versus paying for the swine off of the store shelves?

    I would venture it's higher, as the pig has to eat every day. The 'dirtier' the food, the dirtier the meat, and slopping would have to also be factored in to the cost of feeding it on top of the corn-based feed... Then the effort to keep the doo-doo cleaned up so the pig wouldn't eat that, as well...

    Seems the store price just went down!!

    [beam]

     
  • wes alderson posted at 2:03 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    A stray thought just hit me. What with the Wallow fire headed for us, if we are willing to wait about a week, we will have all of the human bacon we need. I mean, seriously, there are many more important things to think about that . . . bacon.

    Now - let's trade favors here. I use too much time posting stuff that should be obvsious to anybody who can think for themselves. How about more people writing good solid letters to WMI and posting factual responses rather than just cussing each other out.


    If that happens I would just love to take a vacaction from all Blog Site activity.

    I have more important things to do - IE, right now I am writing an essay on recovery from the damage caused by strokes, so that a few methods I have developed in recovery of my own ability to walk and talk, will be of benefit to others.

    A deal?

     
  • TraciMauven posted at 2:31 pm on Wed, Jun 8, 2011.

    TraciMauven Posts: 104

    You people are all bonkers. I'm sorry I moved here. You're talking about bacon endlessly while the forest around us burns. I thought I had moved a little paradise in the pines. But beautiful forest only goes so far - it does not make up from idiocy, crime in Town Government, anatgonism and unconstutional infliction of religion into Town goverment. As soon as I get a job in Flagstaff I'm out of here.

     
  • Camulos posted at 9:46 pm on Wed, Jun 8, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    Traci -

    The people in Flagtaff would be jut as happy to carry on the same converations.

    Even you took the time to make yoru last post below, which did nothing to stop the fire, nor make it any better or worse. Yes, the fire is tragic, but life still goes on. This conversation has nothing to do with the fire, but it doesn't mean we didn't notice it.

    In fact, as of about 4 hour ago, the fire was jsut one mile from the hosue I moved from in Eagar last November, and a family just moved in to three month ago.

    But, this thread IS about bacon. Can't change the article (letter to the editor) that was published. We comment on the fire in those article threads.

    [unsure]

     
  • TraciMauven posted at 11:23 pm on Wed, Jun 8, 2011.

    TraciMauven Posts: 104

    Okay then Camulos. How about you and me and Che and Al and Wes and Rhonda picketing Safeway to protest high bacon prices? We'll show them!

     
  • Camulos posted at 8:21 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    How about we invite them into the conversation to offer a grocer's insight?

    [smile]

    (and why would I protest the prices of something I don't consume? [huh])

     
  • wes alderson posted at 10:26 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    wes alderson Posts: 9162

    Camulos, I'm with you. I assum Tracy was just joking.[beam]

     
  • Camulos posted at 4:43 pm on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    Camulos Posts: 1333

    I believe Traci was posting an emotional response, as this fire is dragging on everyone, and don't hold it againt her in the least.

    Fact is, even for those that DO consume swine, the evacuees will STILL have to pay the price at the register for the product. Might as well talk about it. It affects everyone just the same, no matter the event.

    [huh]

     

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