To the Editor: Thanks for your Jan 22 article: Mexican Gray Wolf released near Alpine. Unfortunately, just releasing to replace wolves that died is woefully inadequate (especially when poaching isn’t vigorously enforced). Fish & Wildlife service need to do their job (they are the “nuisance”).

They need to update their plan to ensure the wolves survival. In order to do this, they must release many wolves. They must remove/ban traps in wolf recovery areas! To reduce livestock conflicts — only allow grazing on public land when range riders are present! This is public land that the public wants wolves on. Fish & Wildlife is supposed to work for the public ... (not private profit/special interests as they’ve been doing). Cows are not wildlife. Release more wolves now.

Nikki Nafziger, Vallejo, Calif.

(42) comments

Videoshot

Nikki, for one, the Arizona Game and Fish Department enforces game laws and regulations, not the US Fish and Wildlife and the AZGFD enforces laws to prevent poaching. Releasing more wolves is not the answer. There are a lot more dynamics working here then just releasing wolves. You have ranchers whose livlihood relies on raising cattle for consumption for themselves and for the public, (you and I). You seem to think all the public thinks like you and wants wolves on the Forest Land and you are incorrect. Also, the grazing cattle help keep the grasses maintained and that helps with less fuels to burn during wildfires. I think the number of wolves on the Forest is just fine and since I live here in Arizona and not California, I believe I should have more say of what happens on my public land then you, so before you write a letter, do some research and get your facts straight.

wagsetail

I am part of the "public" and I do NOT want more wolves! I love how these crazy people from California who have never stepped foot in our forests or had to LIVE with these animals and have never seen an elk, deer, or cow taken down by one and left to rot after it's dead, have so much to say on the matter! Give me a break and go live in Alpine where you have to stand with your kids at the bus stop in the mornings to make sure they don't get attacked before the bus comes! Or stand outside every time your precious "fluffy" needs to go out to make sure it doesn't disappear. I just love how these people have no clue, but have all the right answers! I don't know what the right answers are either, but I do live in the mountains and I am not blind to what happens around me. I love how these people forget where the meat on their dinner tables comes from.

Whiplash Willy

Cows are not wildlife? Next you will tell us illegal aliens are not American citizens!

Janet Hoben

Nikki is right. Cows are not wildlife. They are domesticated animals. It seems some people need to take a few science classes. Also, The Fish and Wildlife Departments of both AZ and NM have a part in new wolf releases, as well as US Fish and Wildlife. Both state and federal agencies have a part in it. She is also correct that the majority of citizens in both Arizona and New Mexico support Mexican gray wolf recovery. The last time I checked this country was supposed to run on what the majority of people want. If you study science at all you know that apex predators such as wolves are a vital part of a healthy ecosystem and are needed. And us crazy people in California have plenty of forests and wildlife too. As far as the meat on our dinner table? Many of us do not eat meat anymore as we refuse to support people responsible for wildlife slaughter such as cattle associations. Great job, Nikki! Thanks for your letter.

Rick Slo Low

Releasing wolfs in Arizona is like releasing conservatives in California.

Janet Hoben

Nikki is right. Cows are not wildlife. They are domesticated animals, often allowed to graze on public lands which belong to all people and wildlife as well. I think some people need to take a little more in the way of science classes. Wolves, like all apex predators, are a vital part of a healthy ecosystem. And the majority of people in AZ and NM do support the Mexican gray wolf recovery program. I think this country is supposed to operate by what the majority wants, not just special interest groips like cattle ranchers and hunters. Nikki is also correct that part of the responsibility for the success of failure of the Mexican wolf recovery belongs to US Fish and Wildlife. Part of it is also the Fidh and Wildlife departments of both AZ and NM. It is a joint effort. And guess what? Us crazy people in California also have forests and wildlife. And most of us treasure them. Oh, and we DO know where the meat on the table comes from. That's why many of us, such as myself, have given up eating meat altogether. That way I am not supporting groups like cattle associations responsible for the slaughter of so much wildlife.

Janet Hoben

Thank you to Nikki for her great letter and to WMI for printing it. It's time to get rid of ignorance and hate and become more educated about wildlife.

wes alderson

Willy? Your sense of humor is even better than your vacation from WMI. Thanks!

Hey - we gotta do something to keep the population of cows and people down . . . wolves are the solution, not the problem.

lakesider

Californians need to do their job (they are the “nuisance”). They need to update their plans to ensure not only their own state's demise, but their neighbors. In order to do this, they must release more insane people. They must remove/ban police in mental recovery areas! To reduce law-abiding citizen conflicts — only allow hiking on public land when police are present! This is public land that California wants more insane people on. Californians are supposed to work for the Arizona public ... (not only on their own state, as they’ve been doing). People are not crazy enough. Release more insane people now.

Janet Hoben

How sadly misinformed and uneducated so many of you are. The majority of people in your state do want work recovery. And there are not plenty of wolves in Idaho, they have already slaughtered a lot of them. The cattle industry outright lies to people by claiming the wolves and other predators are responsible for most livestock deaths. It's like 1%. Most die from disease. the only reason the wolf recovery program hasn't been working is because of the incompetence of USFWS, and the agencies in AZ and NM. trust me, CA FWS is not much of an improvement. Most of the state agencies are clearly paid off by hunters and ranchers and do not do the will of the average citizen. less than 7% of the public hunts. That means that 93% of us don't and do NOT support killing wildlife. Of course you want to kill wolves and other predators. Not because you want to save elk, deer, moose, etc. But because you want to kill them yourselves! How mentally deranged and flawed is that line of thinking! Let me kill wildlife that are killing the wildlife I want to kill myself! And yes, Nikki and I have a right to speak up even though we are in California. The wolves in your state are federally protected. We are citizens and pay taxes. So we speak up for wildlife nationwide. Really...please educate yourselves so you know what the truth is.

TN4994

Janet, do you have numbers of those supporting the wolves minus the people surveyed in Pheonix, Tuscon, Flagstaff and the other few areas of closely populated towns?

Videoshot

Let's count the posts on this issue. I count 7 different people against having wolves and 2 people for releasing wolves. I would say if Janet and Nikii were to really look into the number of people who are for and against and I think 7 to 2 against would be a good reflection of the majority of people. The wolf project has been a major waste of money. But if we have to have wolves, the only reason I would ever want more wolves on my public land would be so we could take the responsibility of caring for the wolves out of the Feds hands and put them into the States hands. Then we could hunt them like states like Montana so we can control their numbers.

funnyboy

Here we go again. The after having screwed up one of the great states in our country the Californians are not content. These are the same quacks who want us not to touch the trees in favor of the spotted owl. Then the forest burns down and there is nothing left for anyone. Why don't they move out of their own home to accomedate the antpile they displaced? Too much time in traffic has altered their mental state. Goofballs!

rooster

The fact that there are more people on this forum against the Wolf population increasing is only proof of the wide spread ignorance of the balance of nature. Furthermore, the ranchers are reimbursed for their losses which to me is ludicrous . We allow the socialism of loss but not of profit, which is an entirely different argument. And by the way,the economy in California is booming. We do need a balance in our strategy to keep and maintain a healthy habitat for our wildlife and at the same time allow the ranchers an environment that allows for them to make a profit. That being said, when will the money we hunters and fishermen pay for licenses go to the programs we actually want them to go to? Hey how about stocking some fish with some of that money?

ArizonaBuild

As someone who has been lucky enough to see 2 Mexican Wolves in the wild, I can honestly say that it is highly unlikely that even 3 or 4 of them working together could bring down an adult elk. They are hardly bigger than coyotes and one swift kick from an elk would terminate them quickly. They probably have more impact on smaller prey like elk calves, deer and rabbits. And slow moving cattle.

Also it was just reported that their numbers in the latest survey have increased by about 30% to 75 mostly wild wolves. Releasing captive wolves isn't the answer, unless you desire more conflict. “One of the keys to successful Mexican wolf repatriation is increasing the percentage of the population that is wild-born and in 2012 that percentage grew to nearly 100 percent with only one wolf on the ground that was captive-born. Wild-born wolves, compared to naïve wolves that were born in captivity, have demonstrated that they are less likely to have human and livestock interactions,” said Larry Voyles, Director of the Arizona Game and Fish Department.

The Mexican Wolf is here to stay, with reasonable and sound management I think most people can agree and live with that. The real question to the wolf defenders (even though they aren't in your back yard) is what is next? After the Mexican Wolf is fully recovered and the dozens of lawsuits are settled over the next 20-30 years, what is next in line? Surely you know that the last grizzly bear was killed on Escudilla Mtn(White Mtns) in AZ around 1935. Reintroduce those? The last documented female jaguar was also killed in the White Mtns near Big Lake in 1963. Surely we will have to reintroduce those. Where does it end? What is the end game? Come on, you can say it...we all know...

TN4994

Ya know; the Taliban party line is such that they say we shouldn't be spending money on restoring statues of the Budda and old ruins when so many people are starving and living in poverty. The way they handle it might be blown out of proportion but hey, it's their opinion and freedom of expression. When are they going to weigh in on the wolf issue?

che guevara

Cows are most certainly not wildlife , Nikki is correct about that . Perhaps we need to remind AZ Game and Fish about that also as AZGF has a long history of cow-towing ( no pun intended ) to welfare ranchers who muck up their share public land with their destructive creatures . Arizona Build made some very good points that I agree with . The concept of re-wilding the wilds offers up compelling arguments on both sides of the issue . Having originally come from the east , I will never get used to the fact that no matter where you travel or traverse in Arizona ( and other western states ) there is barbed wire strung up everywhere , along the roads and highways and all throughout seemingly wild country . And of course , the cow pies . This is appaling to me , and after 20 years in this part of the world I still find it odious . If anyone spends any appreciable time outdoors than they can surely sense the natural world around them diminishing in direct proportion to man's unmittigated assaults against it . Cows and and ranching are one component of this assault . I guess that the sacredness of cows here rivals the worship of cows in India . Given my choice I choose the Grey Wolf , Jaguar and the Grizzly bear over cattle any day of the week . Perhaps a re-wilding of America is destined to occur either way as United Nations Agenda 21 ( which is an abomination ) recommends that sections of America be depopulated of people and re-wilded . A number of programs on the Science Channel and others with names like ; Life After Man and Life Without People , are getting you used to this idea ( predictive programming ) . The predator that concerns me the most is the two-legged kind .

wes alderson

Ahem . . . . somebody up above doubts that cows die of diseases? Have you ever heard of hoof and mouth disease?

Generally, that disease is spread by some of us on this blog site who are infected, to the cattle when we cough while driving down a rural highway.[beam]

lakesider

"Most of the state agencies are clearly paid off by hunters and ranchers and do not do the will of the average citizen. Less than 7% of the public hunts. That means that 93% of us don't and do NOT support killing wildlife."

But... that also means that 93% agree with what the remaining 7% is not doing. Your numbers are defenseless against the 1/2% of predators that interpret them.

rooster

I am afraid that we have taught ourselves that we are a superior species, while proving we are not. Wolves are part of the ecosystem and greed disinformation have caused their demise. In many ways the natives who learned to co exist with their environment and it's rules were superior to those that followed eventually destroying the very things we loved about the wilderness and its inhabitants. Weare only superior as long as we preserve that delicate balance. Profit is a thing that has made man a monster and destroyed the resources that provide enough for all. The Wolf is not the enemy. We are.

HHY

Dear Mr. Russ_in_WML:

I don't doubt your statement that cattlemen care about their livestock. You're right that it makes good business sense for them since it is their livelihood after all. However, I disagree that "it's the right thing to do." Good business sense does not equal morality.

I refrain from eating meat, and I wish I didn't have to. I choose not to eat meat b/c (1) not everyone in the beef industry "respectfully" harvests these animals and (2) cattle production is a significant contributor to greenhouse gases, particularly the cow-calf phase.

HHY

ArizonaBuild: Yes, the number of wild lobos has increased, but we cannot forget that all stem from just 7 survivors. The lack of genetic variation means that the entire population can be wiped out from a single disease.

Russ_in_WML

Oh BTW, Man IS the superior species. Thank GOD!

Whiplash Willy

Man is the superior species In Arizona Russ, Not california ,banning the disney channel in cali will help the problem.Also setting up nature preserves along their beaches for the preservation of the great white shark would help.

rooster

If you believe in God, why do you not have respect for all of his creations. Wolves are here for a reason. I wouldn't claim superiority . We are polluting this world so badly I wonder if we are not the most ignorant species. Our assumption that we have domain is absurd when we can't even keep the earth livable . I like to hunt and fish. I understand the ecosystem. I respect all animals even predators because I know they have a place.

rooster

Bad BIB, I would love to meet you. You are probably the weakest link physically as well as you are mentally. Just because people were ignorant enough to destroy an animal for profit does not make it right. I wish I could really tell you how I feel, but there are fortunately for you rules against name calling etc.. You are obviously a well educated man who can speak well on a number of subjects at a third grade level.

HHY

Okay, Russ. Just to clarify: more methane comes out the front end during the cow-calf phase. This is b/c the methane-producing bacteria in the cow's gut makes more methane as she eats more roughage, and the greenhouse gas comes out the front end.

God gave us dominion over animals, but He didn't say to practice profit-protective stewardship and indiscriminate killings via trapping.

Another thing. I'm neither a vegan nor a vegetarian. I still eat fish and seafood.

TN4994

Wes; hate to interrupt your trends but cockroaches are eating your brownies. [wink]

wes alderson

Ohhh. Sob sob sob. Them brownies too sooooo long to bake.

wes alderson

Well, on the other hand, if I get control of myself, I come to realize severval things:

1. Leptag will always exceed pongeny in governmental events.

2/ There is never , ever a pkace or time when the Puljo should be accepted.

3. Euler's Equation reigns supreme.

Whiplash Willy

Cows are not wildlife,no around these parts they are nightlife,just ask buba.

rooster

Well Wes stupid is as stupid does. Why does he want to kill the wolves. I of course only know him by his opinions so I will treat him as I wish when it comes to responding to him. But thanks for thinking his disabilities make him less able to stand up for himself. I believe he can handle it without you handicapping him further.

rooster

Bad Bob. I am a Veteran. I thank you for your sacrifice and service. I am in no way hating you. Just the hatred you express. Peace to you.

rooster

Thanks WES. maybe I need to ask everyone for a resume so I can give a more P.C.response to each individual? Actually I respect the privacy they enjoy even more. I just don't get it. Should I ask if a person is handicapped before I respond? Or a Veteran? Or a Cop? Or a CEO? Or a drug user? Or a priest? oR A HOMOSEXUAL? oR A nATIVE? oR A Poor TYPER? I'm so confused?

Russ_in_WML

no rooster we dont need no PC crud. Just lay it on me an. I can take it, and dish it right back. mamsy pansies can leave.

wes alderson

Russ, I sincerely doubt that any man who was blown fifty feet through the air in a napalm explosion, lived to tell about it, and is still living a productive lif is a mamsy pansie.

rooster

Wes, I love you man. But I believe Russ was talking about you.

wes alderson

Thanks Rooster. I don't care if he was talking about me. He is entitled to his openion, even if the opinion is flat wrong. To have compassion is never a weakness.

-Pastor Wesely.

ctcool

Funny stuff, it seems every time Rooster has an opinion Wes has to scold him some how. Rooster you are right on a lot of the time, it's nice to have debates of opposing nature, with out having excuses why we can't oppose another person. Every one here has some form of diverse background, maybe not as diverse as the good pastor who seems to have done it all.

wes alderson

CTcool?

Thanks. I like dithering around with Rooster. You're so right that we have diverse backgrounds and the older we are the more different backgrounds we have.

I love reading the posts from everybody - especially Rooster.

-Pastor Wesley.

ArizAl

As I've been told by an unrelialble source that for every kill of a cow by a wolf, Wes, due to his glacoma, has killed hundreds with his erratic driving on the highways. Next time PTLS sells Wes a hunting permit, they should require a background check with DMV. BTW every cow that was terminated by Wes, immediately became the rancher's most prized cow.

wes alderson

Al, What?

You mean those carcasses on my hood were cows and not deer? And what about that one deer that was using a cane to walk? I better go check my freezer.

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