I am ashamed of my fellow citizens when I watch them mindlessly tearing down statues and other historical reminders of what made us who we are. Why were these monuments erected in the first place? I think it was to bring healing and reconciliation to our nation and remind us of the sacrifices made by both sides. It has been said that those who do not learn from history will be doomed to repeat it. We may be doomed!

Now Sen. Warren wants to remove statues from military cemeteries! Why? It serves no purpose after all it has been 155 years since the end of the Civil War, it's just political posturing. There is also talk about removing the Washington and Jefferson monuments, why? Oh yeah, they were slave owners. Are they trying to yet again make a political statement? I think so! Teach it in school in the context of the times making it a point to stress that we as a people have grown.

There is a big push to change the names of several US Army bases because they were named after Confederate officers who were great tacticians. Lee is still studied in the military for how he fought and used the terrain to his advantage. What a great way to remember him. It is said that Lee himself didn't want a statue in his honor, think about it.

How many of our servicemen and women have trained at these bases? Thousands if not millions and they went on to serve our country honorably not even thinking about for whom these bases they were named.

Others like Nathan Bedford Forrest went into politics as a Democrat, had a national forest named after him and started the KKK. People like him should also be remembered not because he was a great man, he wasn't, but he needs to be remembered because of the evil he did post war. History needs to be studied and remembered for a reason. Statues remind us of our history.

We must not destroy our history for the sake of political correctness, in the long run we will be poorer for it and rewriting history serves no one in the long run.

John Ebert,

Pinedale

(18) comments

Lee Bertay

The demrats are destroying the evidence of their past history so they can rewrite it in a generation or two. They are inspired by their Chicom allies' Cultural Revolution. They are even going after Washington now.

2rusty

Thanks, Lee. You are right on the mark. Wish I knew how to combat this more effectively.

ronzim

John: For someone who avers respect for history, you seem to have missed a great deal of it. You do remember don’t you that the confederate forces and their leaders fired on the flag of the United States and then made war on this nation, causing the deaths of nearly 400,000 American soldiers and great damage to American property and civilian lives as well. The last time I checked, such persons have always been traitors and criminals. If you go to Europe today, you will not see very many statues of Hitler, Goering, Rommel, von Rundstedt, Mussolini, Franco, and the rest of that odious crowd. Several German generals of that time were brilliant but that has nothing to do with their criminality. Many were tried and convicted at Nuremberg. This has nothing to do with re-writing history. Removing statues and renaming bases changes not one letter in our history books, where that treason is still taught and will continue to be taught.

longtimeresident

As a kid long ago I remember asking one of my teachers why he celebrated the Confederate side of the Civil war when he taught about them breaking away from the rest of the country causing untold misery. As a young kid I did not fully understand the rule of law or the way our government worked but the Confederacy seemed wrong. I still do not understand why we would celebrate these traitors. I don't want to rewrite, relive, or repeat this part of our history. We should learn from it and we certainly should not look up to this group of Americans who rose up against their country. It is long past time to remove the statues of these barbarous peoples.

Conchodian

And still Al's party continues to oppress and control all it can. Chicago alone this weekend has seem 9 dead and 60 shot in black on black or dem on dem violence and the day isn't over yet. People Like Al will never see the light. He refuses to answer or acknowledge the deeds of his party through out American history. His party of hate shows no slowing down and had I cut and pasted some of the loathing towards other humans you'd see first hand the blackness in his heart and soul. Were sorry for you AL, your hatred for others undoubtedly eats away at your spirit every second of every day. relax Al and stop guzzling the Koolaid will ya, you'll be a better person for it.

ArizAl

Obviously, Conchodian is a republican practitioner of trumpery. When he is at a loss for an intelligent post, he resorts to trumpery and ad hominem attacks.

Trumpery [trump'e-ri] N. something showy but worthless; nonesense,idle talk-Adj. showy and worthless-to devise falsely-to fabricate,to deceive., rubbish,Deceit, trickery. trashy, paltrty.

johndoe

Good old Nancy Pelosi ordered the removal of former speakers because they were once part of the confederacy, Robert M.T. Hunter of Virginia, Howell Cobb of Georgia, James L. Orr of South Carolina and Charles F. Crisp of Georgia, all Democrats! I wonder if she will take down any pictures of her father from her house? I mean after all Pelosi’s father, Thomas D’Alesandro Jr., oversaw the dedication of a monument to Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee when he was Baltimore’s mayor in 1948, saying at the time that people should be inspired by the two generals and should try to “emulate Jackson’s example and stand like a stone wall against aggression in any form that would seek to destroy the liberty of the world.”

johndoe

*former speaker portraits...forgot that part

RetAF

Not sure why we put up monuments for the losing side in the first place. I don't remember seeing any monuments to king George III for the American Revolution. And we still remember our history in that.

Lee Bertay

Because there once was Southern Pride, which is now being torn down with the rest of our nation to National Shame by the Maoist demrat party.

TN4994

Albert Pike was a lawyer who championed Native American causes against the US government. He joined the Confederacy because the way the US dealt with the native peoples. During the American Civil War the Cherokee and Choctaw Nations were allied with the CSA. Guess who led them in attacking Union Soldiers?

I don't quite understand how he can support one race and ignore another.

Charles F. Crisp of Georgia was 19, and a British immigrant when he joined a volunteer regiment with his friends. Should his potrait have been removed? What is his record as speaker of the house? How about all the others pre-civil war? Didn't they assist with keeping the status quo?

One should look at the timeline of when the statues were put up and why the bases were named after southerners. Only 52 years between the Civil War & WW1, and 76 years between CW & WW2. . Memories of defeat still lingered in the south and manpower was needed and land needed to train on. And don't forget this was still the era of Jim Crow and Dixiecrats. How do you get white southerners to enlist in the US military in 1917 & 1941/42? You work on their Confederate background.

TN4994

I don't see my recent post, but I have a correction. Speaker Charles Crisp was 16 years old when he joined the CSA Army, not 19. He was captured at 19.

Of the 4 speakers, Robert Hunter of Virginia (1839-1841), Howell Cobb of Georgia (1849-1851), James Orr of South Carolina (1857-1859) and Charles Crisp of Georgia (1891-1895), Charles Crisp served in congress after the CW, not before. Unlike the others he took his Congressional Oath of Office to the US many years after the war. To bind this country are we to ignore Lincoln's 2nd inaugural address?

che guevara

TN ; Albert Pike was indeed an interesting and scary fellow , and someone who warrants some research into . He was a Kabbalist and a 33rd Degree Mason , and on the cutting edge of helping to bring to fruition One World Governance aka The New World Order . After the Civil War , Pike wrote a book titled : Morals And Dogma , whereby he clearly states the steps which will be undertaken by the global elite in order to bring about the New World Order . Pike states that the coming 20th Century will be a carnage marked by two devastating world wars which will be designed with the express purpose of bringing humanity closer towards the New World Order . He then goes on to state that the final push towards the New World Order will take place in the first year of the 21st Century - the year 2001 - whereby the third and final World War will usher in the New Age of the Light Bearer - The Lucifer . The 9 - 11 episode is what Pike was referring to , of course , as this was the opening act to WWIII . Following the chain of events over these past 19 years one can clearly see where this is all heading , and the insanity that has gripped America is part of this agenda , along with the coming Civil War #2 , followed by what I believe to be unavoidable conflict with China . I encourage you to research this and read it for yourself , this is fact . Interestingly enough , there is in Washington , DC a statue commemorating Albert Pike .

Russ_in_WML

Democrats are taking statues of themselves down. Since its founding in 1829, the Democratic Party has fought against every major civil rights initiative, and has a long history of discrimination.The Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, opposed Reconstruction, founded the Ku Klux Klan, imposed segregation, perpetrated lynchings, and fought against the civil rights acts of the 1950s and 1960s.

The Democrats to this day stand for racial grouping, racial strife, and dependence on the government by black people and other minorities.

Some of the statues Pelosi wants to remove:

Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States of America and former Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi

James Zachariah George, former Democratic U.S. senator from Mississippi and member of the Confederacy as well as the Mississippi Secession Convention

Wade Hampton, lieutenant general for the Confederacy and former Democratic governor of South Carolina

John E. Kenna, member of the Confederate States Army, former Democratic congressman and U.S. senator from West Virginia

Uriah Milton Rose, chairman of the Resolutions Committee of the Arkansas Democratic Party

Edmund Kirby Smith, general for the Confederate States Army with no recorded political party affiliation

Alexander Hamilton Stephens, vice president of the Confederate States who served as a Democratic congressman from Georgia and governor of Georgia

Zebulon Baird Vance, member of the Confederate Army and former Democratic governor of North Carolina

Joseph Wheeler, commander in the Confederate Army and former Democratic congressman from Alabama

Robert E. Lee, commander of the Confederate States Army

Edward Douglass White, member of Confederate Army, former Louisiana Democratic senator and associate justice of the Supreme Court.

In addition, Pelosi also removed 4 portraits from the Capitol. The portraits are of Robert M.T. Hunter of Virginia, Howell Cobb of Georgia, James L. Orr of South Carolina and Charles F. Crisp of Georgia. Mr. Crisp served in the Confederate Army as a young man and entered politics in the 1870s; the others were in Congress before the Civil War, and then held high civilian office in the Confederacy.

ALL 4 WERE DEMOCRATS

The Democratic party is the party of slavery, government dependence, racial segregation, racial war, open borders, coddlers of Islam, death of the unborn, removal of rights including 1st and 2nd amendments, party of sexual immorality, removal of God.

ronzim

Here again we have a breathtaking ignorance of American history which, without wit or scholarship, portrays democrats and republicans as though nothing ever changes in history but is frozen in place, and that place is chosen to reflect the willful ignorance and false conclusions of an ideology.

In the lead-up to the presidential election of 1860, the Democrat and Republican parties had already been at some loggerheads over the issue of slavery. At issue was the Fugitive Slave Law (Art. IV, Section 2, clause three, U.S. Constitution) which reads, “No person held to service or labour in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labour may be due.” This was the law of the land, and was energetically opposed by northern democrats and republicans.

By the time of the election, the Democrat party had split into two main bodies, the Northern Democrats and the Southern Democrats. It was the Southern Democrats who were, by and large, infected with the disgrace of slavery. In part, the civil war was fought between two factions of the Democrat Party. It was the Republican Party, led by Lincoln after 1860, plus the northern democrats who ended legal slavery in America, after the civil war. From that time until the presidential election of 1960, although the slaves were legally free, there was a continuation of the pre-war fight between northern democrats and southern democrats while purportedly “free” African Americans languished in the vicious and violent racism of most of the south and some other places as well.

This historical condition was upended by Nixon’s brilliant southern strategy which brought the Republican Party into the racist camp and pushed the Southern Democrats into an anti-slavery posture, thereafter. For the past sixty years, then, we have had a fulsome transition of the Republican Party into the racist camp and the democrats into the non-discrimination arena. Remember that such transitions are not wholly inclusive. There still remain democrats who are racist and Republicans who champion racial equality; however, the transition remains true in the main.

It is thus disingenuous to portray present-day democrats and republican as they were, on the subject of race, one hundred years ago. Russ’ blind attempt to weld civil war southern democrats to the hip of todays’ Democrat Party fails miserably.

ronzim

I saved this part for last because it is so deliciously wrong: “The Democratic party is the party of slavery, government dependence, racial segregation, racial war, open borders, coddlers of Islam, death of the unborn, removal of rights including 1st and 2nd amendments, party of sexual immorality, removal of God.”

1. The Democrat Party was never the party of slavery. The southern democrats – a minority – were at one time the party of slavery. I agree that is a disgrace but it does not reflect on present-day democrats. They are now more interested in Latte.

2. There is no evidence that any party is the party of “government dependence” a status which exists only in the imagination of television sit-com producers. Correction, the carbon energy firms are government-dependent.

3. Southern democrats once favoured racial segregation but that is no longer the case. Now they actually prefer bass fishing tournaments.

4. Russ provides not one name of a democrat who supports racial war. Spatial war, perhaps.

5. Russ may have a small point here, depending upon the definition of “open” borders. Most democrats seem to favour federal compliance with American law regarding the presence of refugees at our borders. Republicans seem to favour virility contests.

6. The phrase “coddlers of Islam” is one of religious discrimination. What the pubs really fear is finger food.

7. One supposes Russ will always use language such as “death of the unborn” to describe his personal belief which contravenes the U.S. Constitution. The republican battle cry is “death to Sushi”.

8. I am unable to find any democrat who opposes the first and second amendments – the first and second Commandments, yes.

9. I must point out, Russ, that sexual immorality is a matter of personal opinion, and your opinion is not the law. Been watch’in all them secret films of Trump and his ladies, have you? No wonder you’re excited.

10. I hope that readers can see the humour in “removal of God”. After all, if that would be one of the Judeo-Christian gods, how could a few mere mortals dislodge an omnipotent being? If mortals could do that, then the referenced god would not be omnipotent; ergo, not a god. Removal of sod, O.K.

ArizAl

Ecellent Ron Zim. [thumbup] Russ needs to crawl back under the rock he came out of.

Russ_in_WML

Ron go wash your hands after typing all those lies

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